Queens beasts set

[Rll1288]

10 minutes ago, AuricGoldfinger said:

To me there should be some sort of grading system the mint uses before the coins are released. As mentioned above they should be PF 69/70, anything less is not acceptable. Silvers always going to be a bit of a gamble with milk spots etc but if they can’t make it pay for them with extra QC measures then don’t offer them!

They do... they will look at a coin and if its a 68 or better then it will pass... the problem is... on a small mintage I believe this s not good enough... for a run of 310 coins it should be reviewed by them as 70s i.e. no blemishes. Ok NGC may grade and see it lower (as grading is subjective) but all that I have seen should not be allowed on such a high profile, low mintage set of coins

[AndrewSL76]

55 minutes ago, Rll1288 said:

They do... they will look at a coin and if its a 68 or better then it will pass... the problem is... on a small mintage I believe this s not good enough... for a run of 310 coins it should be reviewed by them as 70s i.e. no blemishes. Ok NGC may grade and see it lower (as grading is subjective) but all that I have seen should not be allowed on such a high profile, low mintage set of coins

The fact that their relationship with NGC ended so abruptly after only two releases (Mayflower and War/Peace) suggests that the view of the Mint on the quality of their coins is absolutely not the same as NGC.

You will remember that they offered the PF70 on all those coins and in the end were unable to fully deliver (as can be seen from the NGC census). I was one of three who even received a PF69 (and following a complaint a PF70 too). I think they thought it was ok to do that. Of course in hindsight I am happy with it, as it is a specific rarety, but it does highlight an issue that they probably need to address.

 

[AndrewSL76]

Oh! And for those that have asked in the past....I honestly have no clue what the issue with 69 was. Looking at them side by side it is next to impossible to see any issues...🤷🏻‍♂️

[GoldDiggerDave]

6 minutes ago, AndrewSL76 said:

Oh! And for those that have asked in the past....I honestly have no clue what the issue with 69 was. Looking at them side by side it is next to impossible to see any issues...🤷🏻‍♂️

Have you tried looking at the 69 the other way around

[NewCoins]

5 hours ago, NewCoins said:

I am 99% sure it is inside. I have wiped the outside of the capsules numerous times, some of it clears off a fair bit doesn't.

Around half of the capsules were loose on opening the lid for the first time,  not completely off, perhaps that explains it. Not sure how hard it is for them to turn the capsules.

I will take a third check just to be absolutely sure. They will be likely going back anyway. Not sure if a few of them are a bit milky or just look grubby.

It shouldn't be that hard to send out 300 sets with tight caps, of a decent quality.

I might also gently rub a tissue on the box to see if that is indeed the source of the fibres.  

 

Had yet another look. Fibres/hairs won't come off if wiping the capsule they must on the the inside. 

Now I am looking past the fibres/hairs this coin in particular just looks a mess. Not sure if it's milk spots or whatever. They should be ashamed. Posting back tomorrow.

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by NewCoins

[GoldDiggerDave]

All these pictures of poor quality coins is simply embarrassing for the Royal Mint.  No one is perfect and you can't help some product issues with anything but come on!  I'm parcelling up my SOTD sovereign today to send back to the Royal Mint.  

What is the solution?  We all keep sending the stuff back?  Would that really change anything or would you just get blacklisted and they don't let you buy from them.   I've have had seriously good quality coins from the Perth Mint so it's not impossible to produce problem free silver proof coins.  

Is there a post on here where we can keep a track of the numbers sent back to the mint?.......Thats given me a great idea, not today I received,  It's today I've sent back!

[NewCoins]

Sometimes I noticed the odd issue sometimes a bit of fluff under the capsule. Easily sorted.

I would even accept minor issues that couldn't be easily sorted, sometimes it's not worth the hassle. I feel normally I am reasonably tolerant.

A set like this though you would expect much more.

I would like to think, if it was costing them money, or just a bad reputation they would do something about it.

I think that thread is genuinely a great idea. If nothing else it's somewhere RM can come and look at.

I also guess they have a monopoly so maybe they don't need to get better!

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

31 minutes ago, NewCoins said:

Sometimes I noticed the odd issue sometimes a bit of fluff under the capsule. Easily sorted.

I would even accept minor issues that couldn't be easily sorted, sometimes it's not worth the hassle. I feel normally I am reasonably tolerant.

A set like this though you would expect much more.

I would like to think, if it was costing them money, or just a bad reputation they would do something about it.

I think that thread is genuinely a great idea. If nothing else it's somewhere RM can come and look at.

I also guess they have a monopoly so maybe they don't need to get better!

 

Spot on It's not about mud flinging we all like the interest and we certainly pay a high premium for it at times so it's only right you get what you pay for.  For a new proof coin that's 100%+ for gold and 500%+ for silver of the intrinsic price we all have a right to expect a high quality finish.

It's a shame the RM do not openly engage their customers where there is an issue, most of us would want to work with them not against them.   

[BackyardBullion]

Here is my video showing the coins and sharing my sentiments on all things Queen's Beast Proof Sets

 

[AuricGoldfinger]

Is there going to be a 1 oz gold set?

[Chrisplym]

That would be really expensive! 🤣

[BackyardBullion]

1 hour ago, AuricGoldfinger said:

Is there going to be a 1 oz gold set?

 

10 minutes ago, Chrisplym said:

That would be really expensive! 🤣

Wouldn't it be a 2 oz gold set?

£45000 for the set, yowzers!

[lubi29]

They can do 1/2 oz silver proof as Perth mint on Lunars.

[Rll1288]

3 hours ago, BackyardBullion said:

Here is my video showing the coins and sharing my sentiments on all things Queen's Beast Proof Sets

 

Great video again…

[CollectorNo1]

3 hours ago, BackyardBullion said:

Here is my video showing the coins and sharing my sentiments on all things Queen's Beast Proof Sets

 

 

[CollectorNo1]

Great video as always But when it comes to the QC of the RM....I'm just never surprised..sending out a damaged box let alone a few poor quality proof coins tells me that the RM do not care what they send out to their clients as long as they are getting the cash in! Its unacceptable, that's why I never purchase any silver proofs or sets from the RM any more...its like going to a casino and betting on Red or Black..50/50 if you are going to win...or in the RM's  case...50/50 if you are going to receive your coins or sets that are perfect (which they should be) or damaged😒😒😒🤔🤔

[rlingford]

All of these coins with issues, are they being put back for sale as is? Or would the RM destroy them? 

 

[Shinus73]

1 hour ago, rlingford said:

All of these coins with issues, are they being put back for sale as is? Or would the RM destroy them? 

 

My understanding is that they are melted. If sufficient numbers are returned, they will restrike and replace. If only a few are returned, they won’t bother restriking and will refund, meaning a lower mintage.

[Paulo]

Just boxed mine up for return, and will drop them off at the Post Office on Monday.

Apart from two of the coins, (looked near perfect to me) the other eight all had milk spotting to a lesser or greater extent. Some quite bad!

It's a crying shame, I could really find nothing wrong with them, apart from milk spots. If only, although a big if!

It did not have to be this way!

Following a conversation with the Royal Mint yesterday re above, I have now received an email from Royal Mail - Tracked return service to Royal Mint. The label which you print out says 'Tracked 48'. As anybody used this before? I Assume this is not the same as Next Day Special delivery, with enhanced compensation? in which case no good?      

[SilverJacks]

11 minutes ago, Paulo said:

Just boxed mine up for return, and will drop them off at the Post Office on Monday.

Apart from two of the coins, (looked near perfect to me) the other eight all had milk spotting to a lesser or greater extent. Some quite bad!

It's a crying shame, I could really find nothing wrong with them, apart from milk spots. If only, although a big if!

It did not have to be this way!

Following a conversation with the Royal Mint yesterday re above, I have now received an email from Royal Mail - Tracked return service to Royal Mint. The label which you print out says 'Tracked 48'. As anybody used this before? I Assume this is not the same as Next Day Special delivery, with enhanced compensation? in which case no good?      

I’ve used before with no issue

i assume RM are insured for this service and once you have the receipt for postage, it’s RM liable for losses - keyword being assume

[NewCoins]

16 minutes ago, Paulo said:

Just boxed mine up for return, and will drop them off at the Post Office on Monday.

Apart from two of the coins, (looked near perfect to me) the other eight all had milk spotting to a lesser or greater extent. Some quite bad!

It's a crying shame, I could really find nothing wrong with them, apart from milk spots. If only, although a big if!

It did not have to be this way!

Following a conversation with the Royal Mint yesterday re above, I have now received an email from Royal Mail - Tracked return service to Royal Mint. The label which you print out says 'Tracked 48'. As anybody used this before? I Assume this is not the same as Next Day Special delivery, with enhanced compensation? in which case no good?      

I am hoping (but have no reason to think this will happen) that if there enough sets going back they might do another run. Assuming they have to scrap them, as they are expensive sets the lost income will mount up quickly.

Post it in the today I sent back thread ! Will be good to get a central view of the issues in these sets and generally

[Jeffers46]

Ok I’ve finally had the chance to look at mine in greater detail. 
 

Not happy at all. There is a scattering of milk spots on 3-4 of the coins.

[Jeffers46]

The Lion of England is in a terrible state 

[NewCoins]

For info anyone returning stuff, the "Today I sent back" thread.

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by NewCoins

[SilverJacks]

Instead of reporting returns, perhaps we should be asking TSF community how many of us actually have a good set to keep.