2022 Sovereign design revealed?

[James32]

3 minutes ago, apachebleu said:

They have all the sets too if you want one

Much was the 3 coin set on release??

[GoldDiggerDave]

7 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

Ebay listings like this will kill any profit , maybe this is the RM selling through a warehouse 🤔

Priced at £750 each 

You would think the guy would have a decent kitchen.  

[GoldDiggerDave]

I had a £5 matte BU 2022 memorial sovereign in hand yesterday............Hum not blown away don't get me wrong they are nice but they are too much in terms of design and frosting, and some of the design is lost IMO.     I do think the £5 proof sovereign will look good.  I'll do some side by side pictures once they are delivered.    

Edited January 18, 2023 by GoldDiggerDave

[Midasfrog]

2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

You would think the guy would have a decent kitchen.  

Looks more like a locker room with a vending machine but doesn't appear to be shot in the UK ? 🔍

[BiigT]

22 hours ago, James32 said:

From memory, I believe the odd piece of missing frosting is overlooked "manufacturing flaw"  especially if only noticed by magnification. 

My SOTD proof had a very noticeable with bare eyes ( bullet hole) in the queen's temple area, I offered it up on here at rrp before returning. The person that took it sent for grading and it received a PF70 😆 

 

@SiCole this you?

Thanks James, I'm really sceptical about it, simply because it is visible but only in a tiny amount. As Dave said the other week, only 70's are acceptable in today's market, so I want to avoid anything that jeopardises my chances. Keen to hear if anyone else has any experience or views. 

[James32]

4 minutes ago, BiigT said:

Thanks James, I'm really sceptical about it, simply because it is visible but only in a tiny amount. As Dave said the other week, only 70's are acceptable in today's market, so I want to avoid anything that jeopardises my chances. Keen to hear if anyone else has any experience or views. 

You have every right to return, you have paid enough premium to deserve a great coin. If your heart isn't in it now,it will never be in it unfortunately. Even though my coin got a 70, I still would never have Kept it, once seen it can't be unseen. And every time the coin comes out to look at,you will subconsciously then consciously focus on the flawed area.

[BiigT]

25 minutes ago, James32 said:

You have every right to return, you have paid enough premium to deserve a great coin. If your heart isn't in it now,it will never be in it unfortunately. Even though my coin got a 70, I still would never have Kept it, once seen it can't be unseen. And every time the coin comes out to look at,you will subconsciously then consciously focus on the flawed area.

I would normally agree, but it's probably 4 or 5 miniscule marks that glint in the right light. I can't even manage to get a photo under higher magnification, which is why I'm wondering whether they are OK with frosting not affecting harding ie there are no marks or chunks missing that are causing the glints. 

[James32]

1 minute ago, BiigT said:

I would normally agree, but it's probably 4 or 5 miniscule marks that glint in the right light. I can't even manage to get a photo under higher magnification, which is why I'm wondering whether they are OK with frosting not affecting harding ie there are no marks or chunks missing that are causing the glints. 

Mine had an obvious hole to the naked eye at arms length 😆 

[GoodAsGold]

18 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I had a £5 matte BU 2022 memorial sovereign in hand yesterday............Hum not blown away don't get me wrong they are nice but they are too much in terms of design and frosting, and some of the design is lost IMO.     I do think the £5 proof sovereign will look good.  I'll do some side by side pictures once they are delivered.    

I look forward to your comparison pics Dave.

I’ve been notified that my quintuple matte BU is on its way to me as well. Strange considering we were recently led to believe it would be despatched in March, but maybe it’s because I ordered mine through Mark Osborne (uk gold coins) after the RM website wouldn’t let me proceed to checkout on release date. 

FYI @Stuntman

[GoldDiggerDave]

5 hours ago, GoodAsGold said:

I look forward to your comparison pics Dave.

I’ve been notified that my quintuple matte BU is on its way to me as well. Strange considering we were recently led to believe it would be despatched in March, but maybe it’s because I ordered mine through Mark Osborne (uk gold coins) after the RM website wouldn’t let me proceed to checkout on release date. 

FYI @Stuntman

I did a little video of the full half and quarter yesterday if you have not seen these already, mate the RM checkout is a nightmare......on the day of launch it took payment for 2 orders but did not order anything it took RM customer service over 4 weeks to even respond to me......   

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by GoldDiggerDave

[GoldDiggerDave]

9 hours ago, BiigT said:

Thanks James, I'm really sceptical about it, simply because it is visible but only in a tiny amount. As Dave said the other week, only 70's are acceptable in today's market, so I want to avoid anything that jeopardises my chances. Keen to hear if anyone else has any experience or views. 

Yes I have experience with these sorts of issues when it comes to grading.  

1, First thing I would say to anyone if you are paying a honking premium for a proof sovereign over a bullion then you have  the right to be hyper critical and should not accept anything you are not happy with.

2,  If you are hyper critical you are untimely are going to be disappointed with proof coins and theres almost always small flaws, tiny bits of flake, pick-up, frosting missing, grease, rub marks, hen-pecks, scratches.   (I'm not defending RM quality its just a fact)

3, if you are buying to grade then theres allowances for pre-production imperfections ,  less is better and there is no definition anywhere of what these are and where pre-production ends and post-production issues start .  If you think about this they could throw the blank around and damage the surface of the blank prior to minting and by that definition it should get a 70 providing theres no post-production imperfections .      But I don't blame anyone for not wanting to take a best part of a £700 gamble on their proof sovereign if they think it has flaws.

The 2022 jubilee proof sovereign graded very well and I only got one 69 in the full (25+) all got a 70   however almost every single 2022 proof sovereign I saw 100's all had in my opinion greasy pick up ( flaky bits)  on the coins so with what I have seen this is not and issue or at least not an issue for the jubilee sovereign.  Same for hen-pecks ( small dented spots on the surface of the coin (these do annoy the pants off me)  and again coins with these in my experience are not down graded on these coins.    I've also see coins with micro bits of frosting missing that grade 70 without issue some have loads missing and still grade 70 some I'm gobsmacked by so frosting missing in may cases IMO don't effect grading what I can see. 

4, rub marks, contact marks, scratches all effect grading.  however 1oz and 2oz silvers have been shredded by the NGC recently and it's proving hard to get 70 in these I've seen boxes full of them all come back 69's and lower and with my eyes I can't see where and why these have all been graded lower than the gold counter parts. 

5, ultimately grading can feel like a bit of a lottery I'm only being honest so picking the best example you can will help but even when you do that you still can get less than top marks which can be very frustrating.  

 

[marston59]

I returned 10 graded PCGS PR69 gold coins to PCGS from restoration and regrade, these coins are modern 50p and £2, after restoration 5 remained at 69 but 5 now had that magic PR70.

I would recommend all modern Royal Mint coins submitted for grading include Restoration.

[ant1882]

My half arrived today, apologies not the best photo, all I have is the phone.

Edited January 19, 2023 by ant1882

[ant1882]

On 17/01/2023 at 11:24, BiigT said:

I've received my single sov and generally speaking, I'm a big fan of the design.

Quick question re frosting - I can see a number of very small areas at 5x magnification where the frosting is missing. Would this affect Grading? 

I've previously discussed quality management with the RM at length and the fact their own process (ie arms length examination) is not fit for purpose for proof coins. They accepted my argument and I had to exchange several older sets until I was happy, but I can't recall if tiny areas of missing frosting are likely to lower the Grading of a coin, or whether it goes off scratches and surface marks (for which there appear to be none) 

 

You can see a similar thing in the photo I posted for the memorial half, I'm new to proof coins so no idea if this is a common thing. No scratches on the coin though.

[refero]

everyone here got the full sov? i have had no news so far, sent en e mail and not even an answer...

[Zhorro]

24 minutes ago, refero said:

everyone here got the full sov? i have had no news so far, sent en e mail and not even an answer...

@GoldDiggerDave has had a full sovereign:

 

[TheShinyStuff]

25 minutes ago, refero said:

everyone here got the full sov? i have had no news so far, sent en e mail and not even an answer...

Got mine at the start of January, lots of us did..

[Paul]

Has anyone had any updates on their sets yet ? The four and five coin sets ??  

 

[James32]

1 minute ago, Paul said:

Has anyone had any updates on their sets yet ? The four and five coin sets ??  

 

Not as much as a postcard 

[SiCole]

4 minutes ago, Paul said:

Has anyone had any updates on their sets yet ? The four and five coin sets ??  

 

Next month bud. ETAs were put up a couple of days ago 

[Stuntman]

18 hours ago, GoodAsGold said:

I look forward to your comparison pics Dave.

I’ve been notified that my quintuple matte BU is on its way to me as well. Strange considering we were recently led to believe it would be despatched in March, but maybe it’s because I ordered mine through Mark Osborne (uk gold coins) after the RM website wouldn’t let me proceed to checkout on release date. 

FYI @Stuntman

Cheers @GoodAsGold.  I ordered mine from the RM and haven't had any notification from them so far saying my coin's on its way.

Look forward to seeing yours and Dave's pics, probably some while before posting my own!

[Paul]

11 minutes ago, James32 said:

Not as much as a postcard 

Booooooooooooo !!!!

Good things come to those who wait so.the saying goes 

[Darr3nG]

13 minutes ago, Paul said:

Has anyone had any updates on their sets yet ? The four and five coin sets ??  

 

I had a call with the mint earlier, they've posted my Piedfort out today and said the 5-coin set would be another few weeks.

[Paul]

3 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

I had a call with the mint earlier, they've posted my Piedfort out today and said the 5-coin set would be another few weeks.

Thank you sir ! I've never bothered chasing  things.up directly with the to find out. Hopefully the five will be ace worth the wait 

[BullionBuyerUK]

20 minutes ago, Paul said:

Has anyone had any updates on their sets yet ? The four and five coin sets ??  

 

As of yesterday when my RM account manager emailed me, the 4 coin sets are not in stock at the moment