Lots of people are selling!

[James32]

I do also believe the graded section, kind of suffers from lack of eyes in fairness. 

[Paul]

Here something milling my mind with this thread, one to think about consider/discuss.   this may work and add value to the forum

Would personal ownership of a "single - for sale" thread be a better option to consider ?

Let me know explain further

So me, PAUL has my own "for sale" thread, and everyone else who wishes to trades has their own single thread, they own

Ive been here since year dot and bought and sold off and on.  So my for sale thread could be five plus years long

The very first post on page 1 would always show whatever item(s) you have have currently for sale.

So a "permanent dealer" platinum plus member could show/display x100s of items in their own personal thread

OR collector wishing to just part with a 1oz maple leaf

They both share an equal amount of visible forum retail space - if that makes sense

Both have their own separate for sale threads.

As and when things sell, new stock arrives, comments are added to the last page. 

As more trades are done and items sold.  the threads owner will get longer and longer number of page/replies.  Someone with 100s of sales over years and a thread of many pages in length and positive comments will naturally foster & create a visible communal trust through the multiple transaction and coupled with the existing feedback system 

The member uses the "EDIT" function to keep page one always update.

If they have nothing to sell.  Their for sale thread will naturally move to the back of the queue

Bumps can be made by adding new items, commenting on price drops, or using BUMP every 3 days on the last page as a new comment

As and when you get to know your preferred dealers/members of choice, i will know who is always very fair on price, who sells graded coins, i know to avoid members/dealer who specialise in pre-decimal/ancient coins and never sell bullion

With doing this i can just subscribe to my preferred members/dealers for alerts or update to their "for sale" thread 

If this ramble makes kind of sense and if anyone can picture this sort of thing working ?? im just dumping my brain droppings here so may be not 100% perfect.  Anyone think this would be a positive step forward ? or add value ? or be a better set up than current listings that seem to be causing pain points to a few here myself included 

@ChrisSilver  this was my other idea ^^^ i was planning to discuss with you on PM - any mileage or points to consider.  Might this may add value ?

[richatthecroft]

7 minutes ago, James32 said:

I do also believe the graded section, kind of suffers from lack of eyes in fairness. 

For me, it’s not a lack of exposure it’s why have a section that doesn’t make any sense- a coin is a coin whether or not it’s in a slab or not.

Splitting up the metals makes sense to everyone.

Anyway, it won’t happen- @ChrisSilver already did his consultation prior to creating the nonsensical ‘Graded’ section.

Why don’t we do something radical and simplify and make the sales section coherent by splitting into Silver, Gold & Platinum? 

[ArgentSmith]

How about there is a limit of say three threads at anyone time per person, and a limit of say three bumps per week per thread. Then people could organise there sales posts as they like without it appearing spammy

[James32]

Just now, ArgentSmith said:

How about there is a limit of say three threads at anyone time per person, and a limit of say three bumps per week per thread. Then people could organise there sales posts as they like without it appearing spammy

3 x 3 = 6  🤣

[lst65]

15 minutes ago, James32 said:

3 x 3 = 6  🤣

Sounds good James. Maybe @ChrisSilver should consider this..?

[ArgentSmith]

15 minutes ago, James32 said:

3 x 3 = 6  🤣

Maybe on a tax return yes.

[James32]

2 minutes ago, ArgentSmith said:

Maybe on a tax return yes.

Few extra 😅😅 enjoyed that

4 minutes ago, lst65 said:

Sounds good James. Maybe @ChrisSilver should consider this..?

I'm going places I'm telling ye

[sovereignsteve]

5 hours ago, richatthecroft said:

I say get rid of the graded section and split the sales into three- Silver, Gold & Platinum. 

Better still 4 sections- Silver, Gold, Platinum and a Pre- Decimal or a Pre-1950’s of whichever metal.

I would agree with the graded section as there are never many coins in it.

Does platinum justify it's own section on action? I doubt it.

5 hours ago, James32 said:

I do also believe the graded section, kind of suffers from lack of eyes in fairness. 

probably more a lack of coins within it to be fair

[richatthecroft]

3 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I would agree with the graded section as there are never many coins in it.

Its reasonably popular Steve-  5,200 posts since March 2020 however, its still pointless separating ungraded and graded coins- coins are coins.  

 

11 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Does platinum justify it's own section on action? I doubt it.

 

Perhaps not in terms of volume and throughput of Platinum however,  @ChrisSilver decided to organise the Forum into distinct sections- Silver, Gold & Platinum and the Platinum discussion section certainly lags behind the Gold and Silver.

The main discussion sections are separated out-  yet the sales section is a complete mess- akin to a jumble sale.  

I feel like I'm the only person that has drunk from the Well here- doesn't it make perfect sense to split sales into the respective metal?

 

 

[sovereignsteve]

6 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

Its reasonably popular Steve-  5,200 posts since March 2020 however, its still pointless separating ungraded and graded coins- coins are coins.  

That sounds a lot but compared to the ungraded section probably peanuts.

A quick snapshot, just had a look for the first time since early this morning:

Graded; Last post 16 hours ago, nothing in my unread section.

Ungraded; 4 and a half pages of unread threads/posts

I rest my case😉

[Roy]

15 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

doesn't it make perfect sense to split sales into the respective metal?

For Platinum, perhaps call it the PGM section to fill it up a bit?

[richatthecroft]

30 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

That sounds a lot but compared to the ungraded section probably peanuts.

A quick snapshot, just had a look for the first time since early this morning:

Graded; Last post 16 hours ago, nothing in my unread section.

Ungraded; 4 and a half pages of unread threads/posts

I rest my case😉

 

There's been almost 129,000 posts since 2014 in the 'ungraded' section Steve (see screenshot below,  but prior to March 2020 the graded/ ungraded coins were sold together between 2014 and early 2020.

30 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Graded; Last post 16 hours ago, nothing in my unread section.

Ungraded; 4 and a half pages of unread threads/posts

I rest my case😉

Which bolsters my argument that its a pointless section.

@sovereignsteve or anyone else happy with the current jumble sale?  

Any opinion?  Or am I the only one who thinks the respective metals need separating out?

 

If we are all happy I'll stop my futile bleating- but its a bugbear of mine, and it must resonate with other Forum members?   

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by richatthecroft

[richatthecroft]

2 minutes ago, Roy said:

or Platinum, perhaps call it the PGM section to fill it up a bit?

To be honest Roy- that was my thinking- I was going to add in Rhodium and a Palladium section too- we need to be inclusive after all!

[Roy]

It would be much tidier and more consistent to follow the discussion section, yes.

Precious Metals Trading

Silver

Gold 

Platinum

[SilverMike]

As someone has already mentioned, its should be limited to x amount of posts in x amount of time, a bump being allowed once a day as it currently is, in my opinion.

however, if I were a dealer having paid what they are asked to pay id want my money’s worth too and that sort of limit would not be acceptable.

The sales format just isn’t geared up to handle the loading a few dealer can easily put on it, never mind once the normal members are added in, it’s no wonder people get annoyed and push the bumping rules.

The forum needs to decide what it wants to be or do something significantly different like an eBay type environment for sales.

Edit: I also agree about splitting out the metals for what its worth. But I also remember when the highest paying members at the time were asked their opinion @richatthecroft and most were on a similar page to what you propose, but were basically told no and something quite different happened.

Edited February 5, 2022 by SilverMike

[richatthecroft]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

It would be much tidier and more consistent to follow the discussion section, yes.

Precious Metals Trading

Silver

Gold 

Platinum

 

Anyone have any counter argument or foresee any problems with this simple format ?  

[Roy]

4 minutes ago, SilverMike said:

The sales format just isn’t geared up to handle the loading a few dealer can easily put on it, never mind once the normal members are added in, it’s no wonder people get annoyed and push the bumping rules.

Surely the 'dealers sub forum' was conceived to solve this?

The trade section is for private sales, no matter your membership status.

[sovereignsteve]

26 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

or anyone else happy with the current jumble sale?

My main gripe is that it takes me so long to field through the sales threads, I tend not to keep up to date with them and consequently miss the good buys. I haven't bought for ages via TSF sales.

[Johnboysilver]

On 03/02/2022 at 16:44, Stacktastic said:

I have noticed a lot of people selling recently (unless my notifications have changed)? 
Considering silver is cheap & so is gold - is there something I am not aware of with regards to the price action of both metals??  

Or are people broke from Christmas and need the cash?

I'm like  .... 

[Roy]

24 minutes ago, Roy said:

The trade section is for private sales, no matter your membership status.

Apologies. I missed this:

Gold/Platinum Premium Membership would also give you a licence to list items for sale commercially as well as have a link to your website in your forum signature, we also encourage you to fully disclose your relationship to the business within your forum signature.

Edit: It doesn't say what section, just that you can. 

My comment stands.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Roy

[arphethean]

Interesting thread. 

 

As someone who's recently made the transition from collector/stacker to amateur trader to dealer, I am reading with interest and hearing what people are saying wrt the trade section, which is an important extension of the community, and can see that having it flooded with posts from a small number of members at the expense of other members is not conducive to the community spirit. 

I am always keen to hear feedback on my listings in the trade section, whether that be on the frequency, content, quality of offerings, pictures and price. I'll certainly be taking some advice from the comments here. I do feel it's excessive to list lots of items in individual listings so try to group items into listings to reduce the flooding. 

 

On the topic of the sections, I do totally agree that the current split of ungraded/graded is poor, and a more logical and even split to me would be:

Silver

Gold

Other metals (platinum, palladium, copper etc etc)

 

The ungraded section is way too busy. It is a jumble sale. But where ungraded is jumble, graded is tumble weed.

Split it more evenly as per the above and each section will strike a better balance of busyness. Posts won't be swamped out within an hour, and sections will get visited by buyer's according to what metal they're in the market for. 

Dealer sub forums I don't agree with, as they tend to be mostly ignored and under-utilised with a couple of notable exceptions

[SilverMike]

2 minutes ago, Roy said:

Apologies. I missed this:

Gold/Platinum Premium Membership would also give you a licence to list items for sale commercially as well as have a link to your website in your forum signature, we also encourage you to fully disclose your relationship to the business within your forum signature.

Its only in the last year as the forum has grown and business members are charged higher fees  that it has become a big problem and unharmonious in my opinion.

Personally I only see it going one way if left unfettered, private individuals will just list elsewhere and stop looking in and the sales forum will simply become pages filled with dealers stock lists.

[SovereignBishop]

On 04/02/2022 at 21:44, Abyss said:

Regardless of the reason why there are many more sales thread I think I would be beneficial @ChrisSilver if the sales section was further split into

Gold - Graded

Gold - Ungraded

Silver - Graded

Silver - Ungraded

Potentially other splits (bars/coins). easier to buy/sell/find.

 

Add to this currency coins

[Bigmarc]

Looking now, it seems there are two ads of the same coins. I think before changing the whole concept maybe just create some mandatory rules. Sign and date the photos should clear it up a bit and may be warnings on multiple ads of the same photos.