GoodAsGold

First Una. Now the Graces. It seems to me that the RM AND the Alderney Mint have both been granted Royal Proclamation to release the full series of Great Engravers coins. Even the East India Company got in on the Una.

Alderney didn’t respect the status of Una and the Lion though by bringing it out in several sizes (including sovereign size or thereabouts). I sense that the 3 Graces are also about to be abused (no pun intended). Whilst there’s more supply and more opportunities to buy from various Mints, I think it’s all a bit too messy.  

7 hours ago, SovCollector said:

Does anyone know where one can purchase the 2021 Gold Alderney Three Graces when it’s eventually released?

 

Thanks!

There’s been discussion on this on Westminstrel’s “Speculation on 2020 and 2021 Great Engravers Designs” topic which is also listed under General Precious Metals.

On 28/12/2020 at 15:20, goldmember44 said:

The three graces? 

Well if the Mint can grow a 4th leg onto the Martian TRIpod on the HG Wells coin design, then why not chuck in a 4th grace as well? My vote goes to young Mr Grace. 

A magnificent achievement. Well done sir.

Equally matched by getting in and out of the security doors at your safe box facility, locating and opening up your box and finding somewhere suitable to take your photos - ALL WITHIN 15 minutes.  Mission impossible!

On 15/11/2020 at 23:52, MancunianStacker said:

I too have a crossbow, cricket bat, baseball bat and collection of throwing knifes 👌 

Doesn’t everyone in Manchester?

8 hours ago, ZigZag said:

So I completed the first part of my kids sovereign date run in today’s post and one different sovereign added by @ilovesilverireallydo

Why a date run, my logic if I give them as birthday presents in date runs, it will hold sentimental value, that should  🙏evoke some thought before ever considering disposal - now there’s long term inheritance planning for you 😂

 

Your kid is very lucky to have you as a parent. I hope he or she catches the coin collecting bug and these coins survive beyond the day your kid discovers beer 🤪

4 years ago I too started in that same junior school @ZigZag. I was buying Brilliant Uncirculated coins, then silver proofs by 2017,  silver or gold proofs by 2018. I like the larger sizes though, so my collection is small with a dash of wow factor.

If you sell ungraded (raw) coins there may be a difference of opinion on their condition between buyer and seller. A graded coin has been professionally assessed and hopefully buyer and seller abide by that grading and accept it as is.

 The info on the Alderney Una coins was available to read on the Coin Cabinet auction 27 listings in the descriptions of each coin, so I’m no expert.

 But I have learnt a lot over the years at the School of @Numistacker - his YouTube videos are an education in themselves. I hope to see you in class  👍

4 minutes ago, AndrewSL76 said:

Now it’s in hand, was the almighty fight on Sunday and subsequent shaking and stress worth it? It’s a beauty!!
I got my half sovs today and they are already on their way for crossover...fingers crossed!

Definitely worth it Andrew. I believe it can sometimes be harder to crossover from NGC to PCGS and achieve the same grades, but you know the game and good luck to you.

19 minutes ago, Silverman2U said:

That coin is what £22k!? At that price probably you can get anything made especially for it.  

Not quite. The £22K coin was better value for money at the weight of 71.3 grams, whereas mine is the same weight as a 39.94 grams quintuple sovereign. The £22K coin only has a mintage of 63 as well, compared to the 400 of the above coin. However, it is ungraded and has at least a hairline on each side of the coin. 

The coin in the photo is true to the original 1839 reverse design in that it has that year’s roman numerals on it.  The larger Alderney Una replaces the roman numerals with the words TWENTY POUNDS in a thick ugly font, so not for me. The image of Her Majesty on the Alderney coin doesn’t compare to the ones we’ve been used to on Royal Mint issues though. The Alderney coins were minted by the Commonwealth Mint.

7 hours ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Two big lumps with original certificate from Johnson Matthey Birmingham 

 

Ah yes, the good old days when VAT was only 8%. Wasn’t interest on savings accounts similar?

I used to have to reach for the calculator then, but 15% VAT is easier mental arithmetic.

Probably the 2015 for me too which was my first Britannia. The 2014 would be a close second but the 2020 is growing on me every time I see it.

On 18/10/2020 at 14:00, Elements said:

Wow just wow
 

lot »

https://www.biddr.com/auctions/mdcmonaco/browse?a=1285&l=1362546

some other fantastic coins in this auction too

I wish you hadn’t told everybody. Now we’ll all be bidding against each other.

Great story. I hope greed and bickering don’t get in the way and the pelican is reunited with its missing wing.

On 04/02/2020 at 19:11, Tn21 said:

Although you sold in the end, a deal was a deal and they buyer is 5k short. 

Not impressed at all with the buyer especially after assuring you no problems will arise. Whether he was genuine about this 'partner' (personally I think BS) only he will know. 

Still made good money but business is business and 5k is a lot of money. Glad you got the sale and shared this story. The lesson I have taken from here when selling anything would be to get a deposit in order to use as collateral. 

Nice guy and all - gets you no where.

It's cut throat out there and it's every man for themselves.

Congrats on the sale and also I like the fact the sale was international and a trip was made out of it. 

 

 

 

Can't see myself attending any of these Silver Forum meet ups then. Go anywhere near those doughnuts and lose 8 pints of blood.

On 10/01/2020 at 15:31, goldmember44 said:

I see the minimum price on Ebay since today for a silver Una is £350... it is increasing by the day, and the lowest priced ones are being snapped up very quickly... this coin is rapidly appreciating on the secondary market.  

Remember the 2016 Peter Rabbit 50p silver proof.. it is now valued at £800 by Spink catalogue, and that's what they go for on Ebay, consistently. IMO this silver proof Una is a MUCH nicer and sought after coin than the Peter Rabbit 2016 50p.... so can we expect its value to eclipse the rabbit's £800 in the next few years?

Another thing in favour of this Una silver is that I very much doubt it is something that could come out annually, or with some variations. This must be strictly a one-off... 

Apologies @goldmember44 but I'm just catching up with this month's thread posts having not been on the forum again until yesterday. I must do better. 

The difference in my opinion between the silver Una and the 2016 silver Peter Rabbit is that their broad appeal lies with 2 different types of coin enthusiasts. Silver Una mainly appeals to numismatic collectors prepared to pay a hefty £180 for a 2 ounce coin at launch. Silver Peter appealed to the new breed of novelty coin enthusiasts who were happy to pay £55 or thereabouts for that first must have coloured 50p coin, possibly as a child's gift, having read about its release in the tabloids. 

Of course there's also the established collectors and the flippers who also got in on the act. However, silver Peter 2016 appealed to the masses - mums, dads, sons and daughters - and due to the reasonably low mintage masses also missed out. Massive demand and little supply means silver 2016 Peter commands such a huge price for a 1 ounce coin on the secondary market.

 I don't think silver Una can match anywhere near that level of mass appeal, though if it gets within sight of Peter, the lion will have the rabbit for breakfast.

On 04/12/2019 at 19:38, richatthecroft said:

.... I already get a lot of hassle for never being at home.

So you're really rich not at the croft then?  😁

8 hours ago, Melon said:

Open question - how has this been established as the flagship modern gold coin of it's time? Seems a jump given it's been out like a week and hardly anyone owns it. 

I hope people don't get carried away in a wave of speculation. Sounds like lots of coins while sold haven't actually been sent out yet and therefore haven't hit the market, and also sounds like a fair amount of speculation on this being the next 'series to have'. I don't doubt peoples money is safe on this one at RRP, but I wouldn't want to be the first person to go and pay double RRP on it to be honest. People can ask whatever price they want, do we have evidence of people actively buying at these high numbers? 

Context - I know literally nothing about numismatics so I may be talking utter nonsense 😂 Just seems odd to me that someone can produce a coin today, say it's limited to 225, and suddenly it's not only selling at double spot price retail, but also then reselling allegedly for 4-6 times spot! 😮

7 hours ago, Paul said:

You are right it is all speculation at the moment - who knows where it will settle in price. Im just happy to have one and  happy with the price of £4k 

But factors in its favour are, when the original issue of the coin has more than double the mintage - has 140+ years history & sales with it - the design is extacly the same - and the original issue coin sold for for around £300,000+ a few years back

https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2017/auction-record-for-british-five-pound-coin-at-340-000/

This is the forum at its best. Excellent debating in my opinion, rather than some of the ranting and raving which sometimes rears its ugly head. Una in all her beauty is certainly turning heads.

14 hours ago, nee4891 said:

For someone who is very new to the proof coin scene, I love the look of this coin. Looking to invest in the 2oz but just got lumped with a hefty car bill!

What sort of return are you guys looking to have if you flip the coin at the later date? As this would be my strategy.

It's literally worth its weight in gold (or in silver - depending on whatever one you're after). Dealers won't pay you extra for proofs. They're just interested in the gold content. Apart from that, it's worth whatever somebody such as a highest bidder collector is willing to pay for it. 

Do your homework by keeping an eye on what they sell for on the secondary market (if they show up on it). That's how much collectors will be willing to buy them for, not the prices some unscrupulous companies try to sell them for.

14 hours ago, goldmember44 said:

Something tells me we haven't seen the end of Una and the Lion....perhaps next year they will release a "brilliant uncirculated" version with a mintage of "only 20,000", and for Black Friday perhaps an enhanced reverse proof with William Wyon's signature as privy mark. Or maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas...

Too late. You've just done it. Una should be put to bed now to enjoy what exclusivity she's got left. Let's hope that the Mint steer clear of a mass produced BU version - something they couldn't resist when it came to the 2019 Kew Gardens 50p coin.

 The danger being that they do like returning to best sellers.

On 25/11/2019 at 13:09, AndrewSL76 said:

I still think the premium for 'proof' is too much. Unless the mintage figures are properly low, then as an investment you're going to struggle (IMHO). When you can get a two oz Lion for 60.00 at the moment, I think I would rather have three lions that one Una and Lion - if that makes sense. Much nicer to hold, much easier to sell, much more likely to continue going up in price. The Una is still at 80% reserved and the price could not be as high as you would want in the secondary market.

And then you had second thoughts and bought one. Shifty bunch us coin collectors. I think the human brain is still struggling to figure us out 😁

2 minutes ago, h103efa said:

Didn't miss it at all @GoodAsGold, from the design I've seen, the left hand says E.T.A.H and the right E.V.O.L

 

Very good my friend. I was slow working that one out.

I would have loved to buy the £4K gold coin but it's out of my price range at the moment. Well done to everyone on the forum who committed to a gold. I too had to settle for a silver. Let's hope the Royal Mint have got appropriate quality control in place this time, otherwise maybe it's time to strip them of the "Royal" part of their title.

On 25/11/2019 at 13:09, AndrewSL76 said:

I still think the premium for 'proof' is too much. Unless the mintage figures are properly low, then as an investment you're going to struggle (IMHO). When you can get a two oz Lion for 60.00 at the moment, I think I would rather have three lions that one Una and Lion - if that makes sense. Much nicer to hold, much easier to sell, much more likely to continue going up in price. The Una is still at 80% reserved and the price could not be as high as you would want in the secondary market. I hope everyone who buys it does well though!!

I see it differently. I like to think that most people who buy the proofs are collectors who want the coin regardless of investment potential. I'm not saying those collectors don't take investment potential into consideration though. The 2oz lions are bullion coins. Bullion is investment or semi-numismatic at best. I don't think that this modern Una coin should be on bullion coins - just an additional thought - I know you didn't say that.

Likewise I too could be wrong but let's keep Una special.

On 25/11/2019 at 10:14, westminstrel said:

Which other engravers were known for famous/iconic designs?

Some of the other engravers will be tattoo artists.

According to the London Gazette "The reverse design will show a pair of hands. The left hand knuckles will bear the letters L.O.V.E. and the right hand knuckles will bear the letters H.A.T.E. The hands are those of Her Majesty".

Surprised you missed that one @h103efa 😁