2022 Sovereign design revealed?

[Oldun]

Right, I finally rang up and spoke with a very nice lady. What had happened is that a mail was sent to me explaining that Chards use Royal Mail and UPS for international delivery and that they did not want to use UPS as they have been a bit terrible with their service and wanted me to confirm if I was OK to change to the Royal Mail delivery. Alas, I never received the mail (god knows where it went) and that explained the delay as they were waiting for me to reply to an email I never received….so now, I have confirmed with Chards that I am ok with the Royal Mail tracked and everything is full steam ahead.

 

I am very happy to say that Chards have been excellent now in both my dealings with them and I can recommend them to all here based on my experiences….whew !

[LawrenceChard]

3 hours ago, ChardsCoinandBullionDealer said:

Hello @Oldun

Please send us a direct message with your order number & email address and I shall look into this now. Everyone who has placed an order for the 5 Sov set should of been contacted, so it could of possibly gone into the JUNK folder if we are not a 'safe sender' in your email thread. 

We will keep an eye out for the details you send, and make sure that this is rectified ASAP.

Regards,
The Chards Team

I have not looked at the whole thread, but it sounds like we are working on it.

Pedantic note: I am sure @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer meant "the 5 Sov set should have been", not "the 5 Sov set should of been"!

We do like to get things right!

😎

[paulmerton]

39 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Pedantic note: I am sure @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer meant "the 5 Sov set should have been", not "the 5 Sov set should of been"!

 

Haha, I thought someone would be in trouble with you the moment I read that 🤣

[Darr3nG]

8 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Haha, I thought someone would be in trouble with you the moment I read that 🤣

Can you imagine the mid-year reviews? More like an A-Level English exam!

[paulmerton]

I'm still not sure what to do with my 5-coin memorial set...

The quintuple and double sovereign are perfectly fine, but the full sovereign has a noticeable chunk of frosting missing and the half has a tiny scratch on the obverse.

However, the quarter sovereign has a strike through error, which truth be told is kind of interesting to me - more interesting than a perfect quarter sovereign. But Royal Mint are standing firm that I have to return the entire set if I want the full and half to be replaced.

Is such an error on a one-off-design proof sovereign particularly worthwhile in terms of collectability? Or would I be better off losing it and getting the whole set replaced in order to resolve the quality issues on the full and half sovs?

I guess the other question is, would this defect even grade as an error when it's that small? (I mean, it seems quite noticeable to me, but the coin itself is pretty tiny in the first place!) Here's a picture I posted previously:

[ChardsCoinandBullionDealer]

1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

I have not looked at the whole thread, but it sounds like we are working on it.

Pedantic note: I am sure @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer meant "the 5 Sov set should have been", not "the 5 Sov set should of been"!

We do like to get things right!

😎

Should of been❌
Should have been✅
🤣

[Darr3nG]

13 minutes ago, ChardsCoinandBullionDealer said:

Should of been❌
Should have been✅
🤣

[Britannia47]

Should’ve gone to grammar school perhaps!🥱

[Frenchie]

3 hours ago, paulmerton said:

I'm still not sure what to do with my 5-coin memorial set...

The quintuple and double sovereign are perfectly fine, but the full sovereign has a noticeable chunk of frosting missing and the half has a tiny scratch on the obverse.

However, the quarter sovereign has a strike through error, which truth be told is kind of interesting to me - more interesting than a perfect quarter sovereign. But Royal Mint are standing firm that I have to return the entire set if I want the full and half to be replaced.

Is such an error on a one-off-design proof sovereign particularly worthwhile in terms of collectability? Or would I be better off losing it and getting the whole set replaced in order to resolve the quality issues on the full and half sovs?

I guess the other question is, would this defect even grade as an error when it's that small? (I mean, it seems quite noticeable to me, but the coin itself is pretty tiny in the first place!) Here's a picture I posted previously:

If the 5 and double are fine, and the quarter is "special", I would definitely keep the set and try to get a full and a half on the second market  if I want a perfect set. You could also try to exchange with someone else who has a bad set but a good full and half, and want to return it to the RM 

Anyway, you could be surprised to get a PF70 for your full sovereign if the defect is considered as a production flaw

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Frenchie

[paulmerton]

57 minutes ago, Frenchie said:

If the 5 and double are fine, and the quarter is "special", I would definitely keep the set and try to get a full and a half on the second market  if I want a perfect set. You could also try to exchange with someone else who has a bad set but a good full and half, and want to return it to the RM 

Anyway, you could be surprised to get a PF70 for your full sovereign if the defect is considered as a production flaw

 

Thanks very much for your thoughts. I'd be well up for swapping them for someone else's perfect half and full if they want to partake in such shenanigans  

Another option I've unexpectedly been given is to buy a 4-coin set directly from the mint. It's tempting to get that and swap some around, but I can't help but feel that it might just end up being someone else's return at this moment in time and then I'd just end up having two problematic sets to sort out.

I suppose the full sovereign I already have could get a PF70 like you suggested, but it would not look pretty to me with that bullet hole through the chin:

[apachebleu]

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

Thanks very much for your thoughts. I'd be well up for swapping them for someone else's perfect half and full if they want to partake in such shenanigans  

Another option I've unexpectedly been given is to buy a 4-coin set directly from the mint. It's tempting to get that and swap some around, but I can't help but feel that it might just end up being someone else's return at this moment in time and then I'd just end up having two problematic sets to sort out.

I suppose the full sovereign I already have could get a PF70 like you suggested, but it would not look pretty to me with that bullet hole through the chin:

11 hours ago, Gordy said:

 @apachebleu 

 

5 hours ago, paulmerton said:

I'm still not sure what to do with my 5-coin memorial set...

The quintuple and double sovereign are perfectly fine, but the full sovereign has a noticeable chunk of frosting missing and the half has a tiny scratch on the obverse.

However, the quarter sovereign has a strike through error, which truth be told is kind of interesting to me - more interesting than a perfect quarter sovereign. But Royal Mint are standing firm that I have to return the entire set if I want the full and half to be replaced.

Is such an error on a one-off-design proof sovereign particularly worthwhile in terms of collectability? Or would I be better off losing it and getting the whole set replaced in order to resolve the quality issues on the full and half sovs?

I guess the other question is, would this defect even grade as an error when it's that small? (I mean, it seems quite noticeable to me, but the coin itself is pretty tiny in the first place!) Here's a picture I posted previously:

 Sorry, my reply with quote is playing up but I know @Charliemouse had a damaged set and was looking at potential trades with people, maybe you guys could help each other?

[Taikonaut]

The way I see it production flaw is still a flaw, like die crack and weak strike even if it get slabbed and graded PF70. Perhaps they could add comments to a production flaw but if not that is a limitation to their grading system.

[Frenchie]

46 minutes ago, Taikonaut said:

The way I see it production flaw is still a flaw, like die crack and weak strike even if it get slabbed and graded PF70. Perhaps they could add comments to a production flaw but if not that is a limitation to their grading system.

I don't think this defect could be considered as a die crack here (maybe an incorrectly prepared die)  However, I think that a production flaw such as die crack, or any strike error  is mentioned by NGC (and adds value).

Edited February 17, 2023 by Frenchie

[Taikonaut]

12 hours ago, Frenchie said:

I don't think this defect could be considered as a die crack here (maybe an incorrectly prepared die)  However, I think that a production flaw such as die crack, or any strike error  is mentioned by NGC (and adds value).

But yours is die flaw, not a strike error. If it get slabbed do you think NGC will mention the flaw?

[Frenchie]

35 minutes ago, Taikonaut said:

But yours is die flaw, not a strike error. If it get slabbed do you think NGC will mention the flaw?

This is not my coin, but looking at the photos,  there is no die flaw imho, only an incorrectly prepared die .  But I am not a NGC specialist 

If there was a die flaw/crack, strike error, I guess it would be mentioned by NGC

[paulmerton]

15 hours ago, Taikonaut said:

But yours is die flaw, not a strike error. If it get slabbed do you think NGC will mention the flaw?

Which coin are we talking about here? I've lost track.

[SilverDrum]

Still haven't got my order... now i am asking if i can make it myself 😇 see if i get a response to this email! 

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[westminstrel]

5 minutes ago, SilverDrum said:

Still haven't got my order... now i am asking if i can make it myself 😇 see if i get a response to this email! 

 

Hehehehehheheheh 😂🤣😂

I love your sense of humour. 

[paulmerton]

7 minutes ago, SilverDrum said:

Still haven't got my order... now i am asking if i can make it myself 😇 see if i get a response to this email! 

 

Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to replace the jubilee sovereign I struck there last year! (which they won't let me restrike myself)

Edited February 20, 2023 by paulmerton

[GoldDiggerDave]

23 minutes ago, SilverDrum said:

Still haven't got my order... now i am asking if i can make it myself 😇 see if i get a response to this email! 

 

Don’t get us barred mate!!!

[GoldDiggerDave]

23 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to replace the jubilee sovereign I struck there last year! (which they won't let me restrike myself)

We few of us are going on the 7th June on the VIP……..when it gets closer to the time I will open a new post and we can get a list of questions we can ask them 

[paulmerton]

6 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

We few of us are going on the 7th June on the VIP……..when it gets closer to the time I will open a new post and we can get a list of questions we can ask them 

What are you expecting the SYO options to be by then? A coronation sovereign would be nice. They don't look too exciting at the moment  

[GoldDiggerDave]

3 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

What are you expecting the SYO options to be by then? A coronation sovereign would be nice. They don't look too exciting at the moment  

It’s going to be a lucky dip, no way do I want a 1/4 brit for a crazy premium 

[SilverDrum]

16 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

What are you expecting the SYO options to be by then? A coronation sovereign would be nice. They don't look too exciting at the moment  

See my post above 🤣 if i don't have it by then i will kick up such a fuss until they let me make the thing!!

Hoping it's a Sov for the SYO. What sovereign design it will be by then is anyone's guess tho! 

[SilverDrum]

3 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Hehehehehheheheh 😂🤣😂

I love your sense of humour. 

 

3 hours ago, paulmerton said:

Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to replace the jubilee sovereign I struck there last year! (which they won't let me restrike myself)

Hooray they have read my email 🤣