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  1. I had not read previous posts in the thread, so probably took your comments out of context. We are in broad agreement. Thanks for pointing out the typos, they seem to be part of my ID these days. I often spot them in later quotes. One interesting exception I could cite would be platinum fakes of gold sovereigns, which may be able to scrape past some tests. I / we have yet to own one.
  2. 1985 734850 77302 6.78904 n^42 😎
  3. Yes, you are correct. I have stated as much previously, but I am WFH (Working From Hotel), tringto get an early night, and give brief (for me) answers. I could argue that an uncountable noun doesn't count as a noun. 😎
  4. Although officially still (partially?) under embargo, it is common knowledge (on TF at least), that there will be some kind of new UK coin from the Royal Mint on Monday 6th December 2021 at 9.00 a.m., or possibly earlier. This is widely forecast to be heavily queued, and to be yet another very quick sell-out. I will be skiing off-piste in Tignes, so will miss all or most of the excitement. This may be a relevant topic / thread, for members to share their experiences. I will be thinking about the moguls, and The Bangles. πŸ™‚
  5. We are dealers. As such, we make a market in almost any and all coins. We will buy from almost any and all sources. That's what we have always done (well, since 1964 anyway). What else can I say? 😎
  6. I disagree with you. First, being pedantic, bullion is an adjective, not a noun, so "a bullion" is meaningless and ungrammatical, but "a bullion coin" or "a bullion bar", would be correct. (End of pedantic English lesson). A fake coin could pass any test which exists. It is illogical to assume or state otherwise. Of course, it may not be commercially viable to make fake bullion coins with specifications identical to the original, but that does not make it impossible. I have not watched the SB bullion video . 1780 Maria Theresa Thaler - Genuine, Original, Restrike or Fake? As a quick demonstration of my main point, it is worth studying 1780 Maria Theresa Thalers. I wrote this page many years ago: https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=mariatheresathaler.php Although genuine originals do exist, most are restrikes, eight official by the Austrian Mint in Vienna, or by other mints, with or without the permission of the Austrian Mint or Government. Any produced without this permission are technically counterfeits, yet all of them are almost certainly undetectable by any of the methods being referred to. Fortunately for numismatists, many of the mints used privy or other mintmarks, or subtle design detail changes, that they can be attributed. There is an expert paper about them, and also an excellent book on the subject.
  7. I'm going to start out being pedantic as usual: Are you asking about coins which are proof one one side, but not the other; or possibly only prooflike? (End of pedantry). If ebay is ever the answer, it must have a stupid question. 😎 Seriously, I presume you mean a 2022 gold proof half sovereign. if any TSF members have a spare one, you may get it for a reasonable price. I just took a quick look at the Chards website, and was surprised to see we are showing all 5 of the 2022 proof sovereign range as "Out of Stock". I know we have bought from at least 4 different sources, and think some may not have arrived with us yet. We also buy from "flippers" and others. You could use the "Notify me when back in stock" link. It doesn't cost, and it won't hurt. I did get a partial update recently, and was astounded at how quickly and how many of these we sold at relatively high prices (but not LCC levels), so I may be wrong about expecting more incoming deliveries.
  8. Short, quick questions often require long answers. Quick answer: Yes. Quite often. British gold £5 and £2 coins of 1887 Victoria, are good examples. My default position before I see them is that they will be fake. Many of these fakes are obvious, either (1) to the naked eye, (2) a better visual inspection, or (3) an XRF test. (1) can take under 1 second on some coins, we usually perform (3) next, and (4) weight, so far, under 5 minutes. (2) can take from a few minutes upwards. (5) take high quality macro photos, and (6) study them. By this stage, it is probably a waste of time trying any of the other popular or common testing methods, but my assumption is that they may be high quality fakes rather than genuine. At this stage, we might buy them, but would not take therisk of selling them until we had done more comparison work on them, possibly getting a second opinion, which might include a third party grading service. I did once let a fake 1887 gold £5 go out as genuine, without having checked it sufficiently thoroughly, which is a source of great personal frustration. I could and should have detected it. We retain the coin in our "Black Museum". I frequently see fakes of these 2 coins which have been sold by other coin dealers, or jewellers, which are ovvious fakes, and also some which are not what I would call obvious, but these terms are relative. Back in the 1970s, someone in Lebanon started producing high quality counterfeits of the above 2 coins, but also many other world rarities. These were distributed around the world mainly by an American airline employee called Harry Stock. We menion him in a blog: https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/fakes-forgeries-and-counterfeit-gold-coins-and-sovereigns/167 n the 1970's, forgeries of a number of rare and very rare, valuable coins were produced. These were apparently made in the Lebanon by a Mr. Chaloub, and inspired or financed by an American called Harry Stock. The workmanship of this series of fakes was excellent. They were so good that a large number of highly priced coins found their way onto the market, having been bought by experienced dealers, and handled by famous auction houses. Some of the sovereign dates which appear in high quality fakes include 1822, 1827, 1832, 1887, 1916-C (Ottawa Mint, Canada), and 1917. These are all London mint coins (no mintmark), except where specified. Most of these dates are scarce or rare. The 1917 London, for example, catalogues at £2750 in EF condition, and the 1916-C at £7000. Another mention here: https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=reprocoinsproliferate.html In the 1970's a significant number of superb quality fakes came onto the world numismatic market. We understand that these were produce in the Lebanon, an marketed by an American called Harry Stock. Most of these fakes were of rare coins such as the 1839 Una £5, but also included moderately common coins such as the 1887 British Golden Jubilee £5 piece. One day we were offered one of these, in superb mint condition, by some northern dealers, at a too-good-to-be-true price. While we were examining the coin, to spot the "catch", they produced a whole tubeful of identical coins, saying they had more, and falling about laughing. We were pleased that they had not attempted to deceive us. Some time later they and others were prosecuted and convicted of possessing and selling forgeries. Part of their defence was that they had never deceived, or attempted to deceive, anybody, and we quite believe this, however it remained likely that intermediate dealers may have not been as scrupulous, and the judgement indicated that the lack of deception did not constitute an effective defence. I can remember that we were shocked at the time by the conviction, but accept that it was probably just. Over the years, we have noticed that most major dealers are very honest and ethical in such matters, but that there will always be a number of small part-time dealers who have few ethical standards to maintain. in addition, it is our experience that members of the public seem substantially unethical and dishonest when it comes to describing goods accurately. Only experience has taught us not to be shocked by this sad revelation. This page is interesting, and contains along list: http://coins.lakdiva.org/notes/iapn_ibscc.html The above is not a complete answer, but to conclude for now, I will add: Most major international numismatic dealers and auction houses will have seen convincing fakes. Many may have been fooled by them. I am thinking about the Harry Stock affair when I say this. Most of these will have learnt from the experience. In my opinion, based on experience, there are many smaller dealers, some well known, who will have been fooled by fake coins, and will have sold fake coins. Many of these are not as professsional, expert, or knowledgeable as they think they are, or would have you believe. I hope this helps. What did I say about quick questions? 😎 P.S. After I wrote the above, I noticed it was inthe topic "Spotting Counterfeit Silver Coins", and most of my answer was about gold coins, but the same principles apply.
  9. An XRF machine is not perfect. It will not tell you "exactly what's in your lumps of metal". It should normally get within 1.5 to 2% accuracy, which is quite good for a quick test. See: https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/krugerrand-gold-content/507 I have linked it on TSF before now, but it is instructive. The most accurate testing method remains cupellation aka fire assay, which has been used for aabout 5,000 years. Wikipedia: "The most exact method of assay is known as fire assay or cupellation. This method is better suited for the assay of bullion and gold stocks rather than works of art or jewelry because it is a completely destructive method." Using more than one test makes sense. Experience can replace or suppllement multiple tests. XRF machines cannot tell you if a coin is genuine (although I know of at least one dealer who believes otherwise). It cannot always tell you a coin is fake. The same applies to most if not all other tests. Knowledge, experience, study, and the application of the human brain, in combination can get close.
  10. Yes, it is rather pretentious, but I am sure it appeals to many people. I believe they may have solved the problem of "the capsule open and the coin rattling about", by inserting a piece of bubble wrap or foam. High tech, heh! 😎
  11. I guess none of you are familiar with the cardboard boxes supplied with 1950 and 1951 UK proof sets, or the 1951 crowns? https://www.chards.co.uk/1950-base-metal-proof-coin-set/7911 It was post-war "Utility".
  12. Or ash! I might use them after Chard turns to Charred. 😎
  13. There is a Blackpool company, in South Shore, whose name comes to mind. I need to be careful to avoid self-promotion, but @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer have no connection with this company apart from the close proximity. I can't guarantee that their products will meet @dicker requirements, though! https://boxbros.co.uk/ 😎
  14. Thanks, Glad it arrived safely. We learnt a long time ago to try and ensure ourtgoing packaging is as good as it can be, and we had noticed some incoming sets had loose capsules. I saw a post recently which looks like @BackyardBullion told RM about it, and they seem to have listened and taken it on board. Cert 71 is quite a low number. PF 70 would be a good high one! πŸ™‚
  15. I only noticed this because I was tagged into an adjacent post. It would not have been the end of the world to have missed it. Someone I know was 13 pence cheaper ExVat, but do charge postage extra (Β£6). https://www.chards.co.uk/2022-greyhound-10-ounce-queens-beasts-silver-coin/13301 Chards also show main price including VAT, with VAT exclusive price also shown, to make comparison quicker and easier. But, glad you got sorted! πŸ™‚
  16. "so still exploring all the different parts" What, like Dongs? " but how the hell I ended up in this "dark corner" I will never know!" It's not a dark corner, but actually a source of knowledge and enlightenment, but only for those with an open mind prepared to receive wisdom. Welcome! πŸ™‚
  17. I had not noticed that before on euro coins.
  18. I made that 11 Dongs, but 2 Dongs probably sounds funnier. 😎
  19. OK, you think my Dong is rather small, and want to know if I have anything bigger: and the obverse: 1974 FAO Ten Dong
  20. One Dong, by request: and the obverse: 1971 vintage.
  21. Which reminds me, on my way to Tignes, there is a small village, which is signposted off the main road by a big sign saying "Pussy". One time I detoured off, mainly to get a photo of the sign. I did get a few photos but not the best one of the big sign, as it can only be seen from the main road. I did get a nice coffee stop though. I missed my Pussy stop this year though! Will TSF censor the village name?
  22. Indeed. When looking for what Doug had seen, I thought the minarets looked like two fingers. Could that have been a symbol aimed at the Shah, and the previous system? Probably not. πŸ™‚
  23. Would it be correct to call that a "hand job"? 😎
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