20 Franc Coins Of The LMU

[MrTT]

2 hours ago, augur said:

A bit of Scandinavian Francs 

 

1905 Danish [West Indies] 20 Francs 

 

 

 

Swedish 10 Francs

Very nice coins, i think those are quite rare.

🤠

[augur]

1897 Russia 7.5 Roubles one year type (20 Francs)

previous 1884-1896 5 Roubles were also struck to the same 20 Francs spec

[Thebrumie]

very nice too , this Russian  one !!!!!

 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Thanks to @morezone for these two

[SidS]

On 07/06/2021 at 18:53, augur said:

1897 Russia 7.5 Roubles one year type (20 Francs)

previous 1884-1896 5 Roubles were also struck to the same 20 Francs spec

 

Really nice coin!

I've always wanted some Russian gold. Something so exotic about it, I've got plenty of beat up Russian silver, but never splurged in the yellow stuff... Yet.

[KevinFlynn]

I got this 🙂

[Kookaburracollector]

Hi @KevinFlynn

I love those angels, and they are getting hard to find these days. If you EVER see this version of the 1896 angel, buy it…the torches’  engravers mark is really rare!👍

The one you have is the axe…and it’s in far better condition than mine👍

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Four more varieties added today. 

[stefffana]

On 12/08/2021 at 16:52, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Thanks to @morezone for these two

Very nice acquisition! 😊

The Romanian 20 Lei coin "Ardealul Nostru" is a "must have" for any collector. From 1000000 minted in 1944, almost all of them were confiscated from population by communist government between 1947 and 1989 when owning gold was illegal in Romania and melted down. Nobody knows how many are left and are only very few for sale, in my opinion very undervalued.

 

[CollectForFun]

10 hours ago, stefffana said:

Very nice acquisition! 😊

The Romanian 20 Lei coin "Ardealul Nostru" is a "must have" for any collector. From 1000000 minted in 1944, almost all of them were confiscated from population by communist government between 1947 and 1989 when owning gold was illegal in Romania and melted down. Nobody knows how many are left and are only very few for sale, in my opinion very undervalued.

 

Why do you think they are very few for sale? Somehow I see them very often. For example, there are at least 16 of them on sale at ma-shops at the moment, starting from EUR 400 for aUNC. So either collectors who are also investors have just not discovered their potential yet, or they are not so uncommon, at least for now.

[stefffana]

9 minutes ago, CollectForFun said:

Why do you think they are very few for sale? Somehow I see them very often. For example, there are at least 16 of them on sale at ma-shops at the moment, starting from EUR 400 for aUNC. So either collectors who are also investors have just not discovered their potential yet, or they are not so uncommon, at least for now.

In my opinion all the coins issued before communist era in european east are rare and undervalued. Maybe you are right, their potential is not yet discovered. All the communist governments tried to destroy everything who can remind about previous systems. It is the same with Russian gold coins issued before 1921. Now are only few left, even were issued millions every year before Lenin's Revolution period.

[MrTT]

My LMU coins 🤠

[LawrenceChard]

On 18/03/2018 at 12:51, Kookaburracollector said:

Not always a keen French lover but they do make some things way better than the Brits!!

Just a shame the bottle is now empty!

Not always a keen French lover but they do make some things way better than the Brits!!

Patisserie for example. I love a little French tart.

One of my favourite coffee stops in the Alps:

https://www.facebook.com/sucresalevt

The "bottle" reminds me of a ski holiday in Courchevel 1850, the year before the euro launched. Juliana and I were in a private chalet in The Forum (of all places), and we paid less than the Fylde Ski Club were paying for a near-dormitory hotel nearby. We spent some time looking around the shops, including a Sherpa. In a locked wine display there was a bottle of Cheval Blanc priced at 9990 Francs (about £1000). At the time 1850 was frequented by many Russian oligarchs, so they might have had a whole case in stock. shortly after, we bumped into some of the FSC members, and I mentioned seeing a bottle of Cheval Blanc priced at ninety-nine-ninety. Our friend replied that was very expensive for a bottle of wine in France, being almost £10. I possibly said I wouldn't mind trying it at that price, but I did not explain, and we kept it as our little blague. I repeated the same thing a few times over the next few hours or even days. Everybody fell into the same trap, and nobody cottoned on. It still amuses me after all this time.

I don't think the French make the best wine, just some of the most expensive, English sparkling wine now often out-rates Champagne in blind tastings.

I have sometimes been places where people have opened a bottle of expensive prestige Champagne, then drunk it warm! Probably done just to show off to other easily impressed fools with more money than sense. 

 

 

[HerefordBullyun]

19 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Not always a keen French lover but they do make some things way better than the Brits!!

Patisserie for example. I love a little French tart.

One of my favourite coffee stops in the Alps:

https://www.facebook.com/sucresalevt

The "bottle" reminds me of a ski holiday in Courchevel 1850, the year before the euro launched. Juliana and I were in a private chalet in The Forum (of all places), and we paid less than the Fylde Ski Club were paying for a near-dormitory hotel nearby. We spent some time looking around the shops, including a Sherpa. In a locked wine display there was a bottle of Cheval Blanc priced at 9990 Francs (about £1000). At the time 1850 was frequented by many Russian oligarchs, so they might have had a whole case in stock. shortly after, we bumped into some of the FSC members, and I mentioned seeing a bottle of Cheval Blanc priced at ninety-nine-ninety. Our friend replied that was very expensive for a bottle of wine in France, being almost £10. I possibly said I wouldn't mind trying it at that price, but I did not explain, and we kept it as our little blague. I repeated the same thing a few times over the next few hours or even days. Everybody fell into the same trap, and nobody cottoned on. It still amuses me after all this time.

I don't think the French make the best wine, just some of the most expensive, English sparkling wine now often out-rates Champagne in blind tastings.

I have sometimes been places where people have opened a bottle of expensive prestige Champagne, then drunk it warm! Probably done just to show off to other easily impressed fools with more money than sense. 

 

 

Agreed as a bread afficianardo - love baguettes me not just to eat but just to stuff down my trousers to impress the ladies what salami they can get served with it!

Do like some of the french plonk, but after some fillet mignot an sauce bearnease I tend break wind loudly, so you could call me the pepe le pew, the skunk factor sneaks in. Gas masks at the ready! Again also i love a french tart as long shes got the frilly bloomers on, but no garlic suppositories.....

  

[LawrenceChard]

10 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Agreed as a bread afficianardo - love baguettes me not just to eat but just to stuff down my trousers to impress the ladies what salami they can get served with it!

Do like some of the french plonk, but after some fillet mignot an sauce bearnease I tend break wind loudly, so you could call me the pepe le pew, the skunk factor sneaks in. Gas masks at the ready! Again also i love a french tart as long shes got the frilly bloomers on, but no garlic suppositories.....

  

Did you see this:

I had asked Doug to create a Maid Marion coin mockup! 😎

[HerefordBullyun]

6 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Did you see this:

I had asked Doug to create a Maid Marion coin mockup! 😎

Yes Ive got a blow up version of her and Ive been through 30 puncture repair kits now. So she now looks like an extra from tenko! And if I blow her her up too hard she becomes dave, so I have to be careful!

Edited November 6, 2021 by HerefordBullyun

[whuamai]

On 20/01/2019 at 12:12, Kookaburracollector said:

@KevinFlynn Allow me to try and make up your mind as what to collect next....

 

 

 

Am I helping at all 😀😀😀 lol!

 

@KookaburracollectorAre you stil missing the 1900 Rooster mate ?

[Kookaburracollector]

11 minutes ago, whuamai said:

@KookaburracollectorAre you stil missing the 1900 Rooster mate ?

Thanks for asking..but I managed to pick up that little rooster a good while ago. I’m now on the lookout for rare Peruvian Una Libras, Guatemalan 10/20 Quetzales and nice Albanian 1926/27 Skanderbegus if you have any😀😀!

[whuamai]

11 minutes ago, Kookaburracollector said:

Thanks for asking..but I managed to pick up that little rooster a good while ago. I’m now on the lookout for rare Peruvian Una Libras, Guatemalan 10/20 Quetzales and nice Albanian 1926/27 Skanderbegus if you have any😀😀!

Hey, you're welcome. I got two of the 1900 Roosters today. Now I am only missing the 1901. I have seen these Quetzales only once since I am collecting. Really hard to find. I have sold my 20 Franga's and Libra's already unfortunately.

I'll let you know in case I'll find any.

[KevinFlynn]

2 hours ago, Kookaburracollector said:

... Peruvian Una Libras, Guatemalan 10/20 Quetzales and nice Albanian 1926/27 Skanderbegus ...

Quick, give the man something else to do 😁

[MrTT]

19 hours ago, Kookaburracollector said:

Thanks for asking..but I managed to pick up that little rooster a good while ago. I’m now on the lookout for rare Peruvian Una Libras, Guatemalan 10/20 Quetzales and nice Albanian 1926/27 Skanderbegus if you have any😀😀!

Here is a Skander for sale ! 🤠 https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/52910627-albania-20-franga-ari-1927-v-skanderbeg

[beacon]

Love those fractional gold coins, so much history.

[augur]

I found a nice Italian resource on Marenghis as to how they refer to LMU and other 20 Franc-sized coins. While there doesn’t appear to be a clear reference, the 20 Franc pieces of the Cisalpine Republic which were introduced by Napoleon after his victory over the Austrians at Marengi marked the introduction of this new coin format in Italy. Ever since it seems the Italians refer to these coins as “Marenghi”. Reminds me a bit of the story of the coining of the term “Americano” for watered-down Espressi.

This resource is in addition to the German resource @whuamai introduced and covers some later proof issues to similar spec that I wasn’t aware of. Since it is a little database, it also shows the different mints that used to coin 20 Franc pieces. (There are a few gaps e.g. 1879/80 20 Bolívares were minted in Brussels and 1886-88 in Caracas, which isn’t mentioned). 
 

https://marenghi.collectorsonline.org/cat/M-1?mylang=it

The translate buttons don’t seem to work in any language though. 

[augur]

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.

And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 

There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 

The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 

1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  

So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by augur

[ryanp007]

On 12/05/2022 at 13:56, augur said:

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.

And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 

There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 

The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 

1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  

So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage. 

These are some amazing photos, and good info!