20 Franc Coins Of The LMU

[augur]

sent for regrading via @Numistacker with a nice uplift:

Venezuela 1886 (low 6) 20 Bolívares (Caracas Mint), previously XF45 – now AU53. The yellow greenish hue is caused by the silver and arsenic in the alloy which was sourced from local mines.

 

Venezuela 1910 20 Bolívares (Monnaie de Paris), previously AU58 – now MS62. The 1910 issue often presents with little lustre on the fields from repolished dies, which can be confused with wear; the photograph is actually misleading as the coin in hand is much more dull except for the devices. 

Edited September 23, 2020 by augur

[Kookaburracollector]

@augur what did you do to the coins to get the significant uplifts...Must have some magic dip I reckon🤔

[augur]

I personally believe that MS and AU gold coins benefit from improving their presentation. All care has been taken to not cause any physical or chemical damage to the coins. 

In this case the 1910 was simply undergraded. 

[Choi]

Yesterday I bought this at $580 from a local seller.  I usually destroy slabs since I don't like them, but I decided to leave this alone because it will affect the value pretty much due to its high grade.    

I also got a NGC MS63 1925 20 Zlotych at $500 which is a steal(it will arrive next week because of holidays) , and I will free the coin since almost all of them are in uncirculated condition.  

Edited September 30, 2020 by Choi

[augur]

11 minutes ago, Choi said:

Yesterday I bought this at $580 from a local seller.  I usually destroy slabs since I don't like them, but I decided to leave this alone because it will affect the value pretty much due to its high grade.    

I also got a NGC MS63 1925 20 Zlotych at $500 which is a steal(it will arrive next week because of holidays) , and I will free the coin since almost all of them are in uncirculated condition.  

Wow, I’d rather say your 20 Lei is a bargain. Difficult to find at that grade and usually at a high premium. 

[Choi]

55 minutes ago, augur said:

Wow, I’d rather say your 20 Lei is a bargain. Difficult to find at that grade and usually at a high premium. 

  In Korea bullion coins like roosters, angels are usually expensive, but you could sometimes get numismatic ones at surprisingly cheap prices since most people don't know what they are.   That's why I still don't have any common Italian 20 Lire pieces.  I regularly search Ebay to buy it at close to spot, but It's available only when I have no money to spare

[MrTT]

42 minutes ago, Choi said:

  In Korea bullion coins like roosters, angels are usually expensive, but you could sometimes get numismatic ones at surprisingly cheap prices since most people don't know what they are.   That's why I still don't have any common Italian 20 Lire pieces.  I regularly search Ebay to buy it at close to spot, but It's available only when I have no money to spare

There are alot of 20 lire for sell on MA-shops 👍

I just check, have many good looking 20 lire for 350 euros.

Edited September 30, 2020 by MrTT
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[Choi]

4 hours ago, MrTT said:

There are alot of 20 lire for sell on MA-shops 👍

I just check, have many good looking 20 lire for 350 euros.

I could pay some premium for better coins,  but before that, I'm willing to get really common bullion coins like 1882 close to melt as possible.  Thanks for your help.   

[Divmad]

On 30/04/2019 at 19:06, augur said:

This nice probably sheer luck. They tend to come at a high premium and in circulated condition. You will find more over the pond but in Europe very hard to come by.

There is a smaller 1930 10 Bolivares on offer from @whuamai – almost the same design and usually in SPL-FDC

Out of interest, do you recall the % premium you had to pay to buy those 2 Venezuelan gold coins?

[augur]

2 hours ago, Divmad said:

Out of interest, do you recall the % premium you had to pay to buy those 2 Venezuelan gold coins?

1886 approximately 50% plus regrading

1910 approximately 30% plus regrading

 

Also received this 1879 AU 20 Bolívares thanks to @Lr103 

Venezuela 1879 20 Bolívares (Monnaie de Bruxelles)

Edited October 1, 2020 by augur

[Choi]

I liberated my 20 Zloty piece as soon as it arrived and also got a 1899 10 Ruble (=26.66 francs) which I bought from ebay at only 6% over spot. 

Also bought a low mintage Swiss 10 Francs to complete my Swiss gold set with the exception of the 100 Franc piece which is extremely rare.  It didn't arrived yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schweiz-10-Franken-1916-Vreneli-3-22-Gramm-900-Gold-ss/293720665017?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

[SilverTanner]

Thought this article over at CoinsWeekly on detecting counterfeits of Swiss 20 francs may be of interest:-

https://coinsweekly.com/how-to-detect-counterfeits-at-all-times-part-1-swiss-vreneli-coins/

[jultorsk]

1 hour ago, SilverTanner said:

Thought this article over at CoinsWeekly on detecting counterfeits of Swiss 20 francs may be of interest:-

https://coinsweekly.com/how-to-detect-counterfeits-at-all-times-part-1-swiss-vreneli-coins/

Very interesting, thank you for sharing.

The markers seem minuscule. On most counterfeit sovereigns there are easy-to-see points that give away the fakes... but a tiny positive dot (which can also be on genuine items) or a tiny dent on the Swiss coat of arms.... seems quite difficult to detect. Apparently the stars on the rim are the easiest way to detect a fake at least on the 1922 Vreneli. 🤔

[MrTT]

4 hours ago, Choi said:

I liberated my 20 Zloty piece as soon as it arrived and also got a 1899 10 Ruble (=26.66 francs) which I bought from ebay at only 6% over spot. 

Also bought a low mintage Swiss 10 Francs to complete my Swiss gold set with the exception of the 100 Franc piece which is extremely rare.  It didn't arrived yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schweiz-10-Franken-1916-Vreneli-3-22-Gramm-900-Gold-ss/293720665017?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

Many 100 francs for sell on MA shops.

Think the cheapest was around 1800 euro.

[jultorsk]

5 minutes ago, MrTT said:

Many 100 francs for sell on MA shops.

Think the cheapest was around 1800 euro.

All I could find were these two? It's a one year only release.

 

 

[MrTT]

Just now, jultorsk said:

All I could find were these two? It's a one year only release.

 

 

9 minutes ago, MrTT said:

Many 100 francs for sell on MA shops.

Think the cheapest was around 1800 euro.

 

I meant many france 100 franc 😁.

Ye the swiss are rare and expansive.

[SilverTanner]

44 minutes ago, jultorsk said:

Very interesting, thank you for sharing.

The markers seem minuscule. On most counterfeit sovereigns there are easy-to-see points that give away the fakes... but a tiny positive dot (which can also be on genuine items) or a tiny dent on the Swiss coat of arms.... seems quite difficult to detect. Apparently the stars on the rim are the easiest way to detect a fake at least on the 1922 Vreneli. 🤔

I thought that - some of the fakes look to be better struck than the real ones

[SilverTanner]

32 minutes ago, MrTT said:

I meant many france 100 franc 😁.

Ye the swiss are rare and expansive.

Over a hundred 100 francs currently up for auction at Heritage over the next few weeks - most dates available!

[MrTT]

My first LMU coin.

Belgium 20 franc, really like this coin 🤠

[Prophecy]

I do like the LMU coins. It's such a shame the coins mostly have pictures of inbred, awkward men on them though.

[StackemHigh]

On 27/05/2020 at 00:20, Toshunya86 said:

Romania - 20 Lei 1883 

Serbia - ,20 dinara 1879

 

That 1879 is a great looking coin!

[Choi]

Here are my recent additions.   I'm especially satisfied with the Belgian piece since I bought it at only 6~7% over melt,  but the condition is fabulous.   It looks better than my MS63 graded 20 Lei piece.

[Choi]

Now I have more than 3oz's of pure gold only with LMU '20'  denominations.   I don't like slabbed coins because I can't see the edge of the coins, which is a very interesting part for me.

[augur]

2 hours ago, Choi said:

Is the moon and star edge a Tunisian Franc piece? To what coin does the reeded edge below belong?

[StackemHigh]

All these coins are great. I'd have to complete a few series to afford any of these.