TheGoldSovereign

Anyone ever found two die numbered shield sovereigns with different dies before? The whole purpose of die numbers were to increase quality control and prevent the number of errors that occurred before they were introduced. Each number could be traced back to an engraver.

So it was quite a surprise when today I found the same die number but with two different dies, proven clearly by the fact one has an overstrike 🤔

Lots of half sovereigns to sort through, who said isolation cant be fun 😄

Just now, Numistacker said:

It is a beauty in almost any condition and in high grades these have become a £20k plus coin. It is interesting that yours is enMedaile as mine is coin alignment. Perhaps the ones that Wyon sold separately from his studio were in coin alignment. 

My apology that this one is in one of those nasty little NGC holders )). 

Yea I'm not 100% sure it's fully known, and why I've bought a few as I intend to try and find out a bit more. Back to the archives at Kew for me!

Btw I also have a couple of coin alignment ones, according to PCGS pop they are more common but I'm not 100% sure, I think they just dont have a clue to be honest, wouldn't surprised me if there are lots out there in wrong holders.

17 hours ago, JohnA said:

Will you try for better grade? Send it to NGC?

Not really fussed, I've still not sent a coin to grade ever! I wouldn't take it out of PCGS slab and put into NGC that's for sure though.

I know the coin is nice and that's why I bought it, that's all I need to know 😍

18 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

are those marks on the obverse field? they don't like marks on the fields, seemingly regarding this aspect far more important than any scuffing/wear on the design.

You want to see marks? 🤣

This coin is also PR62, they cannot be the same grade regardless.

These proofs pretty much don't have any wear, if the grading isn't done on the level of marks on the fields then there is nothing to separate PR62 to PR66. From the fair few I've seen the grade is based on how clean the fields are, not clear cut that there is a mark its X grade and cannot be any higher.

Just have a look around PCGS population and their images, at least we know there is no consistency which makes any debate between collectors pointless

On 21/02/2020 at 16:10, Numistacker said:

The 1937 Edward VIII sovereign doubled its money from 500k to 1m in 2 years and thats just a tiny bit of gold.. I sold my Gold Una and I put the proceeds in a 1853 half sovereign proof and very happy I did. Did i get the maximum in the market, no i sold too early and I should have waited but i am happy to have something that is extremely rare, very beautiful and with a price history of 170 years.

There is no comparison to that coin (1937 Edward VIII) whatsoever, that's a true rarity that wasn't even meant to exist. This una was minted less than a year ago  

You did a great thing, and exactly what I think will cause this coin to crash in years to come. People want REAL rarities, not this rubbish.

note: I do love the Una of course, due to it's design, my views are all related to the prices it's exchange for, which is a bubble due to burst.

2 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

Could be owner from Far East buying them all up! Lock them away for “Dynastic” wealth purposes. A nice inheritance for one of many grandchildren. Give it 20 years might be worth more then??? Who knows what they’re thinking 💭 

Anyone who thinks they can buy this at 25k and double their money is sadly a lost cause

5 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

If mintage remains the same and no further ones produced they might hold? Versus Price compared to owing the original. 

I just don't see who is buying them at 25k, I can afford one but wouldn't even be that fussed at released price, where is the collector value? I mean sure the design is great and iconic, but it's modern coin for christ sake.

Almost all sales of these that I've heard of have gone to dealers, from dealer to dealer, and in auction from dealer to a dealer. I don't know a single serious collector who is sitting on one, doesn't that say something?

Am I the only one here (serious collector), who thinks these coins are just being cycled through dealers over and over trying to make a quick few grand? Who would actually lay down 25k on a 2oz modern coin and think it'll be worth that in a few years time?

In my opinion this coin is going to tank hard when all the profit has been squeezed out by the dealers.

On 31/12/2019 at 20:56, thisislondon said:

The colour of the metal is wrong too and the reeding looks crude but it is hard to tell from a photograph. Why not take it back to the dealer and ask him to double check the gold content?

Wrong thread?

29 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Time to call in the big guns @sg86

Thanks for the highlight but I think im a bit late to the party to add anything to be quite honest!

Also after the previous thread i was called into i would need to read everything thoroughly before giving any reply 😅

@sovereignsteve Don't believe it, just found another one so confirmed variety!

14 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

new one on me

Yea I've never seen a misplaced stop on any shield, you would expect something like this *could* happen on a coin pre die numbers, but what makes this even more interesting is this is on a colonial mint sovereign! Mistakes are few and far between here 

18 hours ago, Goldenbear said:

Any ideas on the G here? It looks like it might have something beneath it.

If you're asking for advice on errors you really really need to take better pictures, it's not a moan its absolutely critical. Ideally with a scope, but at the very least a very good macro lens.

There is no way to know anything imho from this image. Anything that doesn't look normal to the eye could simply be a die flaw, are you even checking such errors yourself with a scope? It's good advice trust me, something looks a certain way with a loupe and when you get it under a scope its dirt, a scratch, a flaw or something similar.

Now this is a first for sure!

A colon punch in between the V and I of VICTORIA 😀