Ebay buyer switches gold coin and returns a fake will I be protected as a seller ?

[paulmerton]

45 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

the QR code is my address even if the house number and road are different

That's the clearest indication that it's a scam, then, as that can only have been done deliberately. It means the buyer can prove the item was returned with the correct tracking code, whilst making it look like it was actually delivered nearby. Sending it to the wrong address means the actual recipient would be unaware that anything dodgy is going on and you'd have no idea a piece of card was sent back without the good fortune of having ended up with it.

It also suggests it's unlikely that the addressed recipient would have swapped the coin for a card.

With the evidence of the tampered address label demonstrating intent to commit fraud, I think you should contact the police at this stage in addition to trying your luck with the eBay case. A crime reference number ought to make eBay pay more attention too.

 

[Midasfrog]

2 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

That's the clearest indication that it's a scam, then, as that can only have been done deliberately. It means the buyer can prove the item was returned with the correct tracking code, whilst making it look like it was actually delivered nearby. Sending it to the wrong address means the actual recipient would be unaware that anything dodgy is going on and you'd have no idea a piece of card was sent back without the good fortune of having ended up with it.

It also suggests it's unlikely that the addressed recipient would have swapped the coin for a card.

With the evidence of the tampered address label demonstrating intent to commit fraud, I think you should contact the police at this stage in addition to trying your luck with the eBay case. A crime reference number ought to make eBay pay more attention too.

 

I have managed to get the return closed while Ebay review all my evidence and photos. The tampered return address label is fraud just on its own like you say. I was so lucky that between me and the postman he remembered having problems with scanning a label that did not match up and kindly collected it from the address and gave it to me . Will report this to the police as well with all the details.

[James32]

1 minute ago, Midasfrog said:

I have managed to get the return closed while Ebay review all my evidence and photos. The tampered return address label is fraud just on its own like you say. I was so lucky that between me and the postman he remembered having problems with scanning a label that did not match up and kindly collected it from the address and gave it to me . Will report this to the police as well with all the details.

Brilliant news..keep us informed please. 

[Midasfrog]

3 minutes ago, James32 said:

Brilliant news..keep us informed please. 

Yes will do I might even show you the Christmas card if your lucky 😂 🍻

[ZRPMs]

8 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

Yes will do I might even show you the Christmas card if your lucky 😂 🍻

First one of the year. When you send his I have some fresh dog $h__ here that can be sent with it. What an absolute Bar stool

[paulmerton]

5 minutes ago, ZRPMs said:

First one of the year. When you send his I have some fresh dog $h__ here that can be sent with it. What an absolute Bar stool

Again, I would suggest doing things properly and legally. You don't even know that the delivery address belongs to the scammer. They may have cajoled someone into receiving it on their behalf, redirected it elsewhere, intercepted the post, got it sent to a friend's house, just moved out, .... with the fake return being orchestrated from elsewhere. I mean let's face it, it would be pretty stupid to pull this sort of scam off using your own address wouldn't it?

No point getting yourself in trouble needlessly, or terrorising a potentially innocent victim.

[Midasfrog]

2 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Again, I would suggest doing things properly and legally. You don't even know that the delivery address belongs to the scammer. They may have cajoled someone into receiving it on their behalf, redirected it elsewhere, intercepted the post, got it sent to a friend's house, just moved out, .... with the fake return being orchestrated from elsewhere. I mean let's face it, it would be pretty stupid to pull this sort of scam off using your own address wouldn't it?

No point getting yourself in trouble needlessly, or terrorising a potentially innocent victim.

Yes I think he would be using his friends and family as a postal address possibly or lives at a property whos owner is not knowingly connected with his fraud.

[blackadder]

can't you talk with ebay? show them or tell them he sent back c**p.Prove he posted it to the area and not you etc etc.

3 hours ago, Zhorro said:

If you now have the envelope with the wrong address, and the Christmas card, surely it is the sender's responsibility that the coin has gone missing?

100% chat with ebay and show all the proof.It wasn't even delivered to the right house etc.

3 hours ago, HerefordBullyun said:

@Midasfrog you have his address right, shat in a jiffy bag and send it in the post 2nd class so it niffs loads !

Most likely fake too.

I've won afew cases after being scammed on there so don't just give up,As this cunt most likely does this all the time.

 

[blackadder]

3 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

I have managed to get the return closed while Ebay review all my evidence and photos. The tampered return address label is fraud just on its own like you say. I was so lucky that between me and the postman he remembered having problems with scanning a label that did not match up and kindly collected it from the address and gave it to me . Will report this to the police as well with all the details.

Didn't see this not much to stop assholes from just changing labels.

And **** ebay

[Midasfrog]

After sending plenty of clear pictures of the changed address label , Christmas card and other details It has now gone to the signed Declaration stage. Have just sent these forms off and should hear back within 72 hours 🤞 

Will also drop into a Police station and report the Fraud and get a case number. I'm fairly sure the Police will pay him a visit in Merseyside.

[9x883]

3 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

I have managed to get the return closed while Ebay review all my evidence and photos. The tampered return address label is fraud just on its own like you say. I was so lucky that between me and the postman he remembered having problems with scanning a label that did not match up and kindly collected it from the address and gave it to me . Will report this to the police as well with all the details.

This is very positive news, in the sense that the buyer won't get a refund 💖👌

[stefffana]

5 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

After sending plenty of clear pictures of the changed address label , Christmas card and other details It has now gone to the signed Declaration stage. Have just sent these forms off and should hear back within 72 hours 🤞 

Will also drop into a Police station and report the Fraud and get a case number. I'm fairly sure the Police will pay him a visit in Merseyside.

I am proud of you, Midas-Frogus!

Somebody need to make the scammer to feel the pain!

 

[Midasfrog]

4 minutes ago, 9x883 said:

This is very positive news, in the sense that the buyer won't get a refund 💖👌

And knowing that he has been caught out will make him flinch a bit 

[Midasfrog]

4 minutes ago, stefffana said:

I am proud of you, Midas-Frogus!

Somebody need to make the scammer to feel the pain!

 

Thank you to all forum members for there support in this and to @paulmerton for his Ebay tips on how to move forward 🥰

[HonestMoneyGoldSilver]

Some of the eBay stuff goes over my head, but I'm sorry this happened to an honest seller and I'm delighted you've got a pathway to resolution. I hope you suffer no financial loss and the scammer gets humiliated

 

[Olivard]

1 hour ago, Midasfrog said:

After sending plenty of clear pictures of the changed address label , Christmas card and other details It has now gone to the signed Declaration stage. Have just sent these forms off and should hear back within 72 hours 🤞 

Will also drop into a Police station and report the Fraud and get a case number. I'm fairly sure the Police will pay him a visit in Merseyside.

Make sure you take a copy of all the evidence with you when you go to the police.

And good luck finding a police station that actually has a counter open.

[paulmerton]

2 hours ago, Olivard said:

Make sure you take a copy of all the evidence with you when you go to the police.

And good luck finding a police station that actually has a counter open.

It would be best done over the phone initially, and evidence can then be done via email.

[Leonmarsh]

Hope you get this sorted mate would buy you a pint if I could 

Maybe a tsf crowdfunder buy Midas a pint which if we all bought a pint would cover the costs 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Leonmarsh

[Aldebaran]

Really pleased that it is getting sorted, he is obviously both a jerk and a crook 😔

[HerefordBullyun]

33 minutes ago, Leonmarsh said:

Hope you get this sorted mate would buy you a pint if I could 

Maybe a tsf crowdfunder buy Midas a pint which if we all bought a pint would cover the costs 

I can donate some free gas if that helps... comes in a jam jar, and has a distinctive aroma, but free fuel! 

Edited August 25, 2023 by HerefordBullyun

[katyc]

I have just seen this. Disturbing. The cockiness sending a Christmas card - boils my piss. 

Would you be able to share their username so we can all add him/her/it/they (🙄) to our blocked buyers list (that alone could cause eBay to notice that other reputable users are blocking him, hence work in your favour perhaps?

[SlowFrog]

What a palaver! Sorry to read about this @Midasfrog

It may be a blessing that the return was sent to another address as you now have a couple of unrelated/neutral witnesses if it gets that far. The postman having trouble scanning it and the recipients confirming it was just a Christmas card if asked. Best of luck!

[daca]

clear the guy has plenty of experience scamming people, hope he gets ass cancer ...

[Stu]

Hope you get it sorted sorted mate, stick at it . 
I know very little about eBay, I assume there is no way of finding out how many times a person has disputed sales  (I.e. potentially scammed) over a set period of time? This would be useful information and should be available to sellers IMO, especially on high value items. A few disputes could  be expected, a track record of this could be avoided as could newly setup accounts.

[Midasfrog]

Sorted 🥰