Ebay buyer switches gold coin and returns a fake will I be protected as a seller ?

[Gruff]

2 hours ago, flyingveepixie said:

I'm glad you got this sorted in your favour, but it begs the question : will you be selling any more pms on ebay in the future..?  (I hope the answer is a resounding NO..!😁)

I've never trusted buying PMs on eBay, let alone trying to sell them on there

[Aldebaran]

I’m so pleased for you 💛

[pricha]

Tracked parcels are delivered all day long ,  even after the regular postie has finished their round.  Normally by agency staff who don't know the area.  For example you could live in Green Street and its been delivered to Green Close.  So best call the local office , ask for the manager and they can pin point where the parcel was miss delivered exactly.  Better still never use any service other than Special delivery for expensive items. 

[pricha]

I suppose this scam has been going on for some time and eBay are well aware of it hence the quickish resolve.  Depends on feedback I'd say. A 2000 plus seller is going to believed more than a half dozen feedback buyer.  

Edited August 28, 2023 by pricha

[Midasfrog]

34 minutes ago, pricha said:

I suppose this scam has been going on for some time and eBay are well aware of it hence the quickish resolve.  Depends on feedback I'd say. A 2000 plus seller is going to believed more than a half dozen feedback buyer.  

The buyer had 11 feedback from purchasing , although the case was closed in my favour ( so I didn't loose anything ) Ebay still issued a full refund to the buyer and his account is still live. So he gets to keep the purchase money and the Gold 1/4oz 😳

Seems crazy that a known fraudster can be allowed to carry on purchasing with their Ebay account knowing that they can fiddle returns and get compensation.

Also the fraudster knows that negative  feedback can't be left on his account and no feedback can be left once a return has been issued.

[flyingveepixie]

2 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

The buyer had 11 feedback from purchasing , although the case was closed in my favour ( so I didn't loose anything ) Ebay still issued a full refund to the buyer and his account is still live. So he gets to keep the purchase money and the Gold 1/4oz 😳

Seems crazy that a known fraudster can be allowed to carry on purchasing with their Ebay account knowing that they can fiddle returns and get compensation.

Also the fraudster knows that negative  feedback can't be left on his account and no feedback can be left once a return has been issued.

Ahh, that's infuriating, but to be honest it doesn't surprise me at all.  Ebay is nothing more than a cesspit of scammers and crooks these days, and while there are good people still trying to get by on there buying and selling in an honest way, their efforts are continually undermined by exactly this kind of thing.  It's what made me give up on it after 20 odd years.

[ZRPMs]

6 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

The buyer had 11 feedback from purchasing , although the case was closed in my favour ( so I didn't loose anything ) Ebay still issued a full refund to the buyer and his account is still live. So he gets to keep the purchase money and the Gold 1/4oz 😳

Seems crazy that a known fraudster can be allowed to carry on purchasing with their Ebay account knowing that they can fiddle returns and get compensation.

Also the fraudster knows that negative  feedback can't be left on his account and no feedback can be left once a return has been issued.

Oh dear. Did you get your money for the coin?

You can leave feedback, but its a little difficult. You have to leave feedback for a different transaction. Then when you've done that you get asked What you'd like to do next, Return to your ebay account or leave more feedback. If you click on leave more feed back A list of transactions that you've not left feedback for comes up. Even though this Transaction doesn't appear in your normal transactions awaiting feedback, It will appear here then leave them the feedback they deserve.

[HonestMoneyGoldSilver]

12 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

The buyer had 11 feedback from purchasing , although the case was closed in my favour ( so I didn't loose anything ) Ebay still issued a full refund to the buyer and his account is still live. So he gets to keep the purchase money and the Gold 1/4oz 😳

Seems crazy that a known fraudster can be allowed to carry on purchasing with their Ebay account knowing that they can fiddle returns and get compensation.

Also the fraudster knows that negative  feedback can't be left on his account and no feedback can be left once a return has been issued.

Hold up

The buyer got to keep the item AND get a refund? So scam-boi made like £400 by being a next Tuesday? 

Talk about perverse incentives. It's little wonder eBay is full of asshats if that's how the system works. The scammer should be facing charges not getting paid. Unreal

[9x883]

14 minutes ago, HonestMoneyGoldSilver said:

Hold up

The buyer got to keep the item AND get a refund? So scam-boi made like £400 by being a next Tuesday? 

Talk about perverse incentives. It's little wonder eBay is full of asshats if that's how the system works. The scammer should be facing charges not getting paid. Unreal

wtf. that's crazy. I thought Midasfrog was getting the money back for his item and this s.o.b. was getting kicked off and j.s.

[Midasfrog]

Yes the sales money stayed in my account as I won the case in my favour 👍

But Ebay still give the fraudster a full refund out of Ebays money.

So yes the scammer gets to keep the £460 proof 1/4oz and £460 refund that Ebay give to him 😳

[ZRPMs]

2 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

Yes the sales money stayed in my account as I won the case in my favour 👍

But Ebay still give the fraudster a full refund out of Ebays money.

So yes the scammer gets to keep the £460 proof 1/4oz and £460 refund that Ebay give to him 😳

Mental. Probably complained to ebay that his feels would have been hurt if they didn't give him the money. Glad you got your funds though. 

[Midasfrog]

I did a quick search on FaceBook and I think I found a picture of him 😀 one account stood out from all the others 🤔

Might print this off and pass to the Police as a possible lead 😁

[9x883]

1 minute ago, Midasfrog said:

I did a quick search on FaceBook and I think I found a picture of him 😀 one account stood out from all the others 🤔

Might print this off and pass to the Police as a possible lead 😁

what was his username on ebay?

[Midasfrog]

4 minutes ago, 9x883 said:

what was his username on ebay?

Can't give any detail's as It is with the Police and they will follow it up 👍

 

 

 

[ZRPMs]

9 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

I did a quick search on FaceBook and I think I found a picture of him 😀 one account stood out from all the others 🤔

Might print this off and pass to the Police as a possible lead 😁

Give what you can to the police. However, They are more likely to say that it's a civil matter and that the issue has been resolved by ebay. In this mental world though I'd not hold out much hope with the police. Usually they think their job has been done if the issue a crime number for insurance. You may find them coming after you for harassment. Only because your in front of them and the easy target. Not wanting to p!$$ on anyone's parade but unless they've committed hate speech against you, nowaday's you've got no chance with the police.

[9x883]

1 hour ago, HonestMoneyGoldSilver said:

Hold up

The buyer got to keep the item AND get a refund? So scam-boi made like £400 by being a next Tuesday? 

Talk about perverse incentives. It's little wonder eBay is full of asshats if that's how the system works. The scammer should be facing charges not getting paid. Unreal

agreed🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Midasfrog]

1 hour ago, ZRPMs said:

Oh dear. Did you get your money for the coin?

You can leave feedback, but its a little difficult. You have to leave feedback for a different transaction. Then when you've done that you get asked What you'd like to do next, Return to your ebay account or leave more feedback. If you click on leave more feed back A list of transactions that you've not left feedback for comes up. Even though this Transaction doesn't appear in your normal transactions awaiting feedback, It will appear here then leave them the feedback they deserve.

Yes time to draw a line under this I was able to walk away without loosing anything. 

However the fraud will still go on.

[ZRPMs]

Just now, Midasfrog said:

Yes time to draw a line under this I was able to walk away without loosing anything. 

However the fraud will still go on.

Sadly your right. It's a messed up world we're in at the moment. The fact you got your funds Is the win. I would be happy that you've done all you can to alert ebay and the police to the fraud if you can work out how to give the feedback that's the sellers on ebay alerted and you've had your funds. Its a poor substitute for knowing that the fraudster has literally got away with it. but you've done all you can.

[pricha]

I agree. If you got a refund then it's a eBay problem.  As a massive corporation they're probably happy to accept small losses.  Stress is a killer and it's not worth winding yourself up any more about it.  The police are totally useless as some one said , unless you like to wear woman's underware and call yourself Wendy they won't be interested.  Better to accept it as a lesson , the forum is a better place to sell generally , although we shouldn't get to complacent.  Scammers are everywhere. 

Edited August 28, 2023 by pricha

[pricha]

Are you willing to PM members the scammers ID so we can block him ? Not sure how many times he could get away with it .

[Spyder]

I am glad you got your money and like you said,  it is over now. I still think you should name this scammer so others can be aware of who he is. 

[pricha]

After telling you to forget about it . Why wasn't the coin returned Special delivery ? If it had been none of this would have happened. 

[blackadder]

On 26/08/2023 at 15:48, Midasfrog said:

He used a Best One convenience store as his parcel drop off address , so difficult to trace him that way. Also just checked my orders and looks like Ebay have payed his refund which seems strange or maybe they are investigating further and are holding the funds . His account is still in use.

They most likely did refund him and sided with you to he's most likely scamming someone else now.

As ebay is just a scammers paradise,Out of all the coins i sold on there i got scammed five times.

Also on a graphics card i sold,the guy said it wasn't working then sent back his old card.

Problem is they are allowed to get away with it,The place is the pits and **** ebay

The only way i'd ever sell on there now is,If i got the item i was selling for free.

[blackadder]

2 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

I did a quick search on FaceBook and I think I found a picture of him 😀 one account stood out from all the others 🤔

Might print this off and pass to the Police as a possible lead 😁

They don't care.You can cancel sales from people with x amount of feedback btw.

[pricha]

Ebay can take money out of your account anytime they like.  One day I noticed they just took £360 from my account. When they got in touch someone put in a claim for non recipient of goods. I swear this was almost one year later after the sale. I still had the receipt for the Special Delivery , but before I could query it the money was back in my bank.. that was a bizzare one. 

Edited August 28, 2023 by pricha