2022 Sovereign design revealed?

[Darr3nG]

6 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

only 1 1/2 has come back a 69

A rarity, shirley...?

[GoldDiggerDave]

On 30/03/2023 at 13:02, dioarn said:

my  BU matt finish has arrived very disappointed:

 

1. The BU 2022 queen version sovereign looks  very different from its Proof version, probably because there is lots of empty space. but this Memorial BU feels the same with the proof.  

2. lots of quality issues both back and front 😭

 

Question: Is BU version generally less well received by the market than the proof version?  how did the 2022 BU sovereign do? Thinking to refund rather than replacement. 

Also, what's the market price for the 5 coin memorial proof set now? 

The proof £5 sov will always have more demand than the £5 sov BU as it's the flagship sovereign.  The matt BU's are nice I like the semi pearlescent finish on the coins, I have the £5 sov BU Jubilee graded and locked away for the future.  

The raw 5 coin sets are generally retailing around 6.3-6.5k currently. 

[MergingCultures]

The memorial proofs don't seem to be going for too much on eBay. All around £600 (standard not graded). I'd have thought they'd be closer to their Jubilee cousins.

Btw we are a month out to the coronation, any more news on what we can expect?!

[Piperscoins]

Maybe its because the mintage figures.  IMO they are a hold coin.  Give them 5- 10 years then they will be ok.  

[GoldDiggerDave]

5 hours ago, MergingCultures said:

The memorial proofs don't seem to be going for too much on eBay. All around £600 (standard not graded). I'd have thought they'd be closer to their Jubilee cousins.

Btw we are a month out to the coronation, any more news on what we can expect?!

Look at the price of every proof sovereign of a new monarch.   Sometimes the prices/value are not instantly realised which is good for us who have the foresight to buy and hold.  For all the praise the reverse is getting the obverse is  impressive IMO.   

Also what can happen some pile into the market that can't afford to hold the coins so they have no alternative to sell off cheap......People do have short memories as some people were doing this with their 2017 proof sovereigns a few months after release.  

[Zhorro]

5 hours ago, MergingCultures said:

Btw we are a month out to the coronation, any more news on what we can expect?!

A dealer has confirmed there will be a coronation SOTD sovereign,  RRP £850 - so this will make it the most expensive SOTD (the Brexit one was £800).

Details of the coin are still embargoed.

Mintage is limited, but I don't know how limited.

[Chrisplym]

 

2 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

A dealer has confirmed there will be a coronation SOTD sovereign,  RRP £850 - so this will make it the most expensive SOTD (the Brexit one was £800).

Details of the coin are still embargoed.

Mintage is limited, but I don't know how limited.

Very interesting and expensive! Any news on the design?

Edited April 5, 2023 by Chrisplym

[kimchi]

6 hours ago, MergingCultures said:

The memorial proofs don't seem to be going for too much on eBay. All around £600 (standard not graded). I'd have thought they'd be closer to their Jubilee cousins.

Btw we are a month out to the coronation, any more news on what we can expect?!

I think I saw a topic by @Paul a day or two ago about the latest @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions where even some of the Jubilees didn't sell (apologies if I have that wrong, happy to be corrected ).

[Zhorro]

11 minutes ago, Chrisplym said:

 

Very interesting and expensive! Any news on the design?

No, I've heard nothing about the design other than the coin is different from the usual SOTD sovereigns - so whether it is a unique design (i.e. only available as a SOTD), I don't know.

As usual it will be BU and not proof.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Zhorro
Clarification

[AndrewSL76]

I believe it will be a shield that may be used a lot going forward. We may not see Pistrucci’s George and the Dragon again for a while. 

I’m quite happy with this. I love the shield designs. I won’t be buying them though. I spend too much on jubilee head and old head Vic halves. The part of my collection that irritates me the most is the half sovereign 1893-1910 Vic and Ed coins. I don’t mind the GV 1911-1926 as you can get super high grades that look brand new. The colour is also perfect.

[refero]

52 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

A dealer has confirmed there will be a coronation SOTD sovereign,  RRP £850

what is RRP?

[JamesH]

2 minutes ago, refero said:

what is RRP?

Ripped Rear Price

or more likely, real retail price

[Zhorro]

8 minutes ago, refero said:

what is RRP?

Recommended Retail Price - so I presume this is the price the Royal Mint will be charging.

[Zhorro]

27 minutes ago, AndrewSL76 said:

I believe it will be a shield that may be used a lot going forward. We may not see Pistrucci’s George and the Dragon again for a while. 

I’m quite happy with this. I love the shield designs. I won’t be buying them though. I spend too much on jubilee head and old head Vic halves. The part of my collection that irritates me the most is the half sovereign 1893-1910 Vic and Ed coins. I don’t mind the GV 1911-1926 as you can get super high grades that look brand new. The colour is also perfect.

I think there has been an announcement in the Gazette of a 2023 George and Dragon design. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

1 hour ago, Zhorro said:

A dealer has confirmed there will be a coronation SOTD sovereign,  RRP £850 - so this will make it the most expensive SOTD (the Brexit one was £800).

Details of the coin are still embargoed.

Mintage is limited, but I don't know how limited.

I think the brexit was £950 might be wrong was crazy expensive for what it was.  

[Zhorro]

1 minute ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I think the brexit was £950 might be wrong was crazy expensive for what it was.  

No, I'm pretty certain it was £800 - and at the time it was crazy expensive for what it was!

[GoldDiggerDave]

@Zhorro With the bump in gold spot we it's likely the next full proof sovereigns pass £700 each.  Wasn't that long ago I was paying £450 rrp for them. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Hi Guys,

For those who are interested to see how the 2022 proof sovereigns are grading  I will be updating my NGC grading post. Currently 30 out of 32 have achieved a PF70UC.  

 

 

[dioarn]

Is the 2022 Jubliee Sovereign doing much better than the Memorial Sovereign at the moment?  😅 Is that because of mintage? I'm talking about proof coins here. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

7 minutes ago, dioarn said:

Is the 2022 Jubliee Sovereign doing much better than the Memorial Sovereign at the moment?  😅 Is that because of mintage? I'm talking about proof coins here. 

They peaked obviously when QEII passed away.  The Memorial was never going to be an instantly match it due to the higher mintages however I feel it will nicely appreciate like all other special reverse year sovereigns.   

[westminstrel]

26 minutes ago, dioarn said:

Is the 2022 Jubliee Sovereign doing much better than the Memorial Sovereign at the moment?  😅 Is that because of mintage? I'm talking about proof coins here. 

 

16 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

They peaked obviously when QEII passed away.  The Memorial was never going to be an instantly match it due to the higher mintages however I feel it will nicely appreciate like all other special reverse year sovereigns.   

I feel like the proof Memorial Sovereigns will do extremely well in future. They’ve been sandwiched better the Jubilee Sovereign and the Coronation Sovereign, so they seem less significant today. But in the years ahead, they will be sought after, as every modern Sovereign collector will want a specimen to complete their collection.

[Paul]

Will be lovely to revisit threads like this in retirement for those who HODL

what's came out past 5 years. There's classics in the making already.

Once Elon musk cures immortality and avoiding death subscription model, we'll be rich in decades to come

[apachebleu]

22 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Hi Guys,

For those who are interested to see how the 2022 proof sovereigns are grading  I will be updating my NGC grading post. Currently 30 out of 32 have achieved a PF70UC.  

 

 

I feel so special knowing im one of the 2 that didn't make it 🤣 at least it was only the quarter.

 

[apachebleu]

4 hours ago, westminstrel said:

 

I feel like the proof Memorial Sovereigns will do extremely well in future. They’ve been sandwiched better the Jubilee Sovereign and the Coronation Sovereign, so they seem less significant today. But in the years ahead, they will be sought after, as every modern Sovereign collector will want a specimen to complete their collection.

 It's the first soverign of a new monarch and it has a special (beautiful) reverse. If this isn't a long term winner I don't know what is. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

4 minutes ago, apachebleu said:

I feel so special knowing im one of the 2 that didn't make it 🤣 at least it was only the quarter.

 

It's always a gutter not getting a full 70 run but if there is any second best outcome I think you got it.