2022 Sovereign design revealed?

[foinikas]

I will argue that the price of the 5-coin platinum 2022 proof aet in pf70 sells around £8500 give or take. I have seen many sales around that mark the last few months mostly on direct sales but if i remember correctly also on some auction houses. 
Having said that, i cant wait to buy the new 5-coin set for my collection. If i could get my hands on a second set and graded and got pf70 in all, (considering a fast sell out) i am guessing the price would range around the £7500 mark. The design is so amazing that there is a chance this would be desired as much as the platinum Jubilee set. I think time will tell, but this is my prediction.

[Chrisplym]

Am I right in thinking that the Royal Mint limit will be one of each set and single coin per customer?

Does any one know the price for the 4 coin set? Apologies if I have missed this.

[Paul]

3 minutes ago, Chrisplym said:

A 5 coin set and a 4 coin set would be nice. Let’s hope that I am lucky. I wish everyone else good luck on Tuesday too.

We're all in the same boat Tues . Hope we all get something 

[Paul]

2 minutes ago, Chrisplym said:

Am I right in thinking that the Royal Mint limit will be one of each set and single coin per customer?

Does any one know the price for the 4 coin set? Apologies if I have missed this.

I got a five, four, three set and two single sov last year on one order . Don't think I breached any  limits but all accepted and paid on one order 

[dirt94]

What would be the most desirable to buy and probably hold the best value if you only had the funds to purchase one of these Memorial Sovereigns?

[James32]

2 minutes ago, dirt94 said:

What would be the most desirable to buy and probably hold the best value if you only had the funds to purchase one of these Memorial Sovereigns?

5 coin set 

4 coin set 

3 coin set 

£5 BU or piedfort..not entirely sure which

1 sov 

1/2 sov 

 

 

 

 

[Cornishfarmer]

Does anyone think that a 2022 5 set would be a good swap for a new 2022 5  set?

[James32]

1 minute ago, Cornishfarmer said:

Does anyone think that a 2022 5 set would be a good swap for a new 2022 5  set?

Now there's an interesting question.

No!!

Sell the 5 coin set graded 70 for approximately £9k+ and buy the new set for £5500?

Sell the current set for £7k+ raw and still have money left over from buying new set.

[SiCole]

Just now, James32 said:

Now there's an interesting question.

No!!

Sell the 5 coin set graded 70 for approximately £9k+ and buy the new set for £5500?

Sell the current set for £7k+ raw and still have money left over from buying new set.

Sell it to me for £5500

[James32]

Just now, SiCole said:

Sell it to me for £5500

Me too

[FlorinCollector]

I don't think these will be flippable for much which should be good for us all to get something. The 1 sov mintage is a lot higher and there is not much of a premium currently on the last sovereign of the queen. So here's hoping. My aim is 2 x 1 sov for the collection. Not got the spare cash for the sets currently. 5 Sov set is always a certain winner. 

[Paul]

16 minutes ago, Cornishfarmer said:

Does anyone think that a 2022 5 set would be a good swap for a new 2022 5  set?

Next release will be usual design next year I would assume. George and dragon 

[GoodAsGold]

9 hours ago, Taikonaut said:

I'm pretty confident the sovereign with 17,000 edition size won't get sold out for weeks if everyone is restricted to 3 per household and allocation to dealers are very limited. The Harry Potter 15,000 colour proofs are a lot more affordable and its popularity transends numismatic but still not sold out after 3 weeks. The Royal Mint probably has a record of how many buyers of their coins and coin types and constantly adjust its mintage figures to  maximise profits. I would guess there is a hardcore but small community that would buy all, then another bigger group that buys the odd ones. In the wider world our hobby would be met with a bit of amusement and as an extravagence by the average Joe.

So the Harry Potter coins are still not sold out after 3 weeks?  That only tells me that the majority of Harry Potter fans prefer books to coins. You cannot make sales comparisons between a novelty coin minted in a blip of time in Royal Mint history and the Sovereign which was introduced in 1489. Would a similar sales scenario be the case in book stores if JK Rowling brought out another Harry Potter book? Absolutely not. 

My daughter was such an avid Harry Potter book  reader that she was annoyed after seeing the first film and seeing what content was cut out of the book. I don’t think she watched many more. She owns 2 first edition books yet when she saw the coins she laughed. Kiddy fodder. That says it all in my opinion.

[Mtaybar]

9 hours ago, Taikonaut said:

I'm pretty confident the sovereign with 17,000 edition size won't get sold out for weeks if everyone is restricted to 3 per household and allocation to dealers are very limited. The Harry Potter 15,000 colour proofs are a lot more affordable and its popularity transends numismatic but still not sold out after 3 weeks. The Royal Mint probably has a record of how many buyers of their coins and coin types and constantly adjust its mintage figures to  maximise profits. I would guess there is a hardcore but small community that would buy all, then another bigger group that buys the odd ones. In the wider world our hobby would be met with a bit of amusement and as an extravagence by the average Joe.

I don't think you can compare the sovereign to a Harry Potter collector coin...... there is just no comparison full stop. These new sovereigns will be a hot win for the mint and if there's anything left after 24hrs I'll eat my hat. 

[GoodAsGold]

7 hours ago, Taikonaut said:

The Potter coins transends numistica. Traditional coincollectors may not be a fan and some might sight see its gimmicky but not the fans. Listing here does not represent the wider population. We are small pool of people really.

Totally disagree. Your argument should be that the Potter book series has a vast worldwide fan base larger than the amount of people who collect coins. The Potter coins do not transcend anything as the sales figures you quoted prove. What you imply suggests an ignorance of numismatics in my opinion.

Edited November 13, 2022 by GoodAsGold

[GoodAsGold]

11 minutes ago, Mtaybar said:

I don't think you can compare the sovereign to a Harry Potter collector coin...... there is just no comparison full stop. These new sovereigns will be a hot win for the mint and if there's anything left after 24hrs I'll eat my hat. 

I hope it tastes like chocolate 😁

[paulmerton]

Clearly the next smart move by the mint would be to make a Harry Potter sovereign.

[GoodAsGold]

29 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Clearly the next smart move by the mint would be to make a Harry Potter sovereign.

Suggest that to Hattons Of London. They stick the word “sovereign” on the end of a lot of their gold coin releases (presumably to attract unsuspecting first time buyers who think they’re getting Royal Mint sovereigns). They have a Her Majesty’s Graces sovereign series. Maybe the engravers initials are TAT.

Edited November 13, 2022 by GoodAsGold

[Vern]

2 hours ago, FlorinCollector said:

I don't think these will be flippable for much which should be good for us all to get something. The 1 sov mintage is a lot higher and there is not much of a premium currently on the last sovereign of the queen. So here's hoping. My aim is 2 x 1 sov for the collection. Not got the spare cash for the sets currently. 5 Sov set is always a certain winner. 

Yeah nah, new King 1st Sov means VERY sought after at a much higher price imo

[AuricGoldfinger]

12 months ago i think the hype train on these could have gone wild. Now I’m not sosure what will happen but i want one. Lol

[GoldStatue]

4 hours ago, dirt94 said:

What would be the most desirable to buy and probably hold the best value if you only had the funds to purchase one of these Memorial Sovereigns?

I would only consider:-

5 coin proof set

1  sovereign proof

As the 5sov and 1sov are the most popular sizes when it comes to sovereigns.

All the special reverse sovereigns are selling for more than their release price, I guess there's no guarantee that will always be the case in the future.

 

[GoldStatue]

4 hours ago, FlorinCollector said:

I don't think these will be flippable for much which should be good for us all to get something. The 1 sov mintage is a lot higher and there is not much of a premium currently on the last sovereign of the queen. So here's hoping. My aim is 2 x 1 sov for the collection. Not got the spare cash for the sets currently. 5 Sov set is always a certain winner. 

I think the flippers will flip these, these will sell out eventually and the Royal Mint hasn't priced them so high that the scalpers can't make a profit off them.

They will just make less money per coin and have to wait a bit longer to see a profit.

Unlimited mintage would of put a stop to a lot of that behaviour though!

Edited November 13, 2022 by GoldStatue

[GoldStatue]

2 hours ago, GoodAsGold said:

So the Harry Potter coins are still not sold out after 3 weeks?  That only tells me that the majority of Harry Potter fans prefer books to coins. You cannot make sales comparisons between a novelty coin minted in a blip of time in Royal Mint history and the Sovereign which was introduced in 1489. Would a similar sales scenario be the case in book stores if JK Rowling brought out another Harry Potter book? Absolutely not. 

My daughter was such an avid Harry Potter book  reader that she was annoyed after seeing the first film and seeing what content was cut out of the book. I don’t think she watched many more. She owns 2 first edition books yet when she saw the coins she laughed. Kiddy fodder. That says it all in my opinion.

I think those Harry Potter coins are aimed more for the gift giving market than for the hardcore Potheads or coin collectors.

The Royal Mint must have paid a pretty penny to put that franchise on coins!

[GoldStatue]

Is anyone else confused as to why the Mint are calling these a "Memorial Sovereign"? There is nothing about QEII on them.

 

[Solachesis]

7 minutes ago, GoldStatue said:

Is anyone else confused as to why the Mint are calling these a "Memorial Sovereign"? There is nothing about QEII on them.

 

Because it can make £££