2023 proof sovereigns

[apachebleu]

 So did we ever get to the bottom of the crowned portrait debacle?? I remember they initially said the crowned portrait was a one off for coronation coins then it was changed to it will be for special coins which could be anything really.

 Do we know if that's even the portrait that will be used for the sets this year?

 It's a very hard decision on this coin, I know it's the Coronation set but I'm not sure that's enough for me. A unique crowned portrait we won't see again? count me in. 

[Paul]

1 hour ago, apachebleu said:

 So did we ever get to the bottom of the crowned portrait debacle?? I remember they initially said the crowned portrait was a one off for coronation coins then it was changed to it will be for special coins which could be anything really.

 Do we know if that's even the portrait that will be used for the sets this year?

 It's a very hard decision on this coin, I know it's the Coronation set but I'm not sure that's enough for me. A unique crowned portrait we won't see again? count me in. 

They've got a chance to make something super super special.

Coronation sets historically is something really special and should be something super special. 200 + years of history 

But . . . .  . .  (Confused look ) 

. . .  . It may not be 

[apachebleu]

 Yep fully agree, could be really special but I suppose we have to see. 

[westminstrel]

I hate to be a cynic, but almost everything with the RM is super special of late.

I genuinely hope the Coronation Sets are really really REALLY unique and stand out as a marker compared to every other special set and range by the RM.

[GoldDiggerDave]

I get it people are feeling exhausted but these events  are not by design (mostly)  The only one I would say is the memorial sovereign but its such a nice design and the first of a new monarch no way can any sovereign collector miss out.   

Only potential issue  is the 2024 set thats like to be the normal November release........ I really would like to see the 2024 set pushed forward into 2024 but it's looking unlikely the only way I can see  to get back in sync now is 2 sets this year.  A sub 500 mintage for the 2024 5 set would help. 

 

 

[CaptCaveMan]

2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

 Only potential issue  is the 2024 set thats like to be the normal November release........ I really would like to see the 2024 set pushed forward into 2024 but it's looking unlikely the only way I can see  to get back in sync now is 2 sets this year.  A sub 500 mintage for the 2024 5 set would help. 

If the 2024 is the standard design I'll pass.  I've spent alot more than I should on these keys dates over the last couple of years to the detriment of my monthly bu purchases.

[GoldDiggerDave]

24 minutes ago, CaptCaveMan said:

If the 2024 is the standard design I'll pass.  I've spent alot more than I should on these keys dates over the last couple of years to the detriment of my monthly bu purchases.

Without out a doubt it’s exhausting, but there’s no better time to be alive and be a sovereign collector, we have seen the longest reigning monarch platinum jubilee, which will never been seen again for generations, KCIII is likely to be on the throne 15-20 years, so William will be heading towards his 60’s before he gets on the throne, George his son might not even see the throne until he’s 50-60.

We have had a memorial for the longest reigning monarch and now a coronation, for some collectors it will be the last coronation they see, (sad but a fact). 
 

Some  of us will likely see another coronation but that’s it………. This is really the gold era of the sovereign.   How many will look back and say why didn’t I buy them when I had the chance? 

[Allgoldcoins]

13 hours ago, apachebleu said:

 So did we ever get to the bottom of the crowned portrait debacle?? I remember they initially said the crowned portrait was a one off for coronation coins then it was changed to it will be for special coins which could be anything really.

 Do we know if that's even the portrait that will be used for the sets this year?

 It's a very hard decision on this coin, I know it's the Coronation set but I'm not sure that's enough for me. A unique crowned portrait we won't see again? count me in. 

I did put this image on another thread, but this is what I understand the 2023 Proof sovereigns to look like. We are already taking pre-orders.

[Zhorro]

34 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Without out a doubt it’s exhausting, but there’s no better time to be alive and be a sovereign collector, we have seen the longest reigning monarch platinum jubilee, which will never been seen again for generations, KCIII is likely to be on the throne 15-20 years, so William will be heading towards his 60’s before he gets on the throne, George his son might not even see the throne until he’s 50-60.

We have had a memorial for the longest reigning monarch and now a coronation, for some collectors it will be the last coronation they see, (sad but a fact). 
 

Some  of us will likely see another coronation but that’s it………. This is really the gold era of the sovereign.   How many will look back and say why didn’t I buy them when I had the chance? 

I've heard that Camilla does not like all these official functions and so I would not be surprised if she persuaded Charles to retire when he reaches 80. This would mean that William would still be in his mid-40s and he would have the energy for the role.

Regarding the sovereigns, there is the danger that the RM may over do things and thus adversely impact the market.  When you have a SOTD at £850 (which I did buy), this is a lot of money.  I have taken the decision not to chase after the forthcoming proof sovereign even though I have seen a couple of dealers taking pre-orders.  And I will not be that bothered about the SOTD for Charles' 75th birthday.

[CaptCaveMan]

2 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Without out a doubt it’s exhausting, but there’s no better time to be alive and be a sovereign collector, we have seen the longest reigning monarch platinum jubilee, which will never been seen again for generations, KCIII is likely to be on the throne 15-20 years, so William will be heading towards his 60’s before he gets on the throne, George his son might not even see the throne until he’s 50-60.

We have had a memorial for the longest reigning monarch and now a coronation, for some collectors it will be the last coronation they see, (sad but a fact). 
 

Some  of us will likely see another coronation but that’s it………. This is really the gold era of the sovereign.   How many will look back and say why didn’t I buy them when I had the chance? 

Totally agree which is why I went all in (as much as I can afford).  I won't reap anything financially (hopefully) as I plan to pass these onto my kids but owning them is another matter!

Hopefully I'll be around for the next key design in 15-20 years...

[CaptCaveMan]

14 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

I've heard that Camilla does not like all these official functions and so I would not be surprised if she persuaded Charles to retire when he reaches 80. This would mean that William would still be in his mid-40s and he would have the energy for the role.

Regarding the sovereigns, there is the danger that the RM may over do things and thus adversely impact the market.  When you have a SOTD at £850 (which I did buy), this is a lot of money.  I have taken the decision not to chase after the forthcoming proof sovereign even though I have seen a couple of dealers taking pre-orders.  And I will not be that bothered about the SOTD for Charles' 75th birthday.

I've always wondered if Charles would pass the on batton aka Crown early 🤔

Ditto on the SOTD for Charle's 75th B'day - mainly as I'm only after the key dates/kids birth years in Proof, then it's focussing back on the date runs for them... ruddy kids costing me a fortune 😆  One day I might be able to look at the Georgian era... 

[AaaGee]

Anyone know how much the KC111 proof sovereigns will be selling for? No idea if I'll be able to afford one yet. Luckily i have a SOTD sovereign so that may have to do for me with maybe a couple of bullion sovs later in the year. Wo t be chasing anything related to Charlies birthday. Just not interested.

[CaptCaveMan]

Just now, AaaGee said:

Anyone know how much the KC111 proof sovereigns will be selling for? No idea if I'll be able to afford one yet. Luckily i have a SOTD sovereign so that may have to do for me with maybe a couple of bullion sovs later in the year. Wo t be chasing anything related to Charlies birthday. Just not interested.

I've heard ~£725

[GoldDiggerDave]

37 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

I've heard that Camilla does not like all these official functions and so I would not be surprised if she persuaded Charles to retire when he reaches 80. This would mean that William would still be in his mid-40s and he would have the energy for the role.

Regarding the sovereigns, there is the danger that the RM may over do things and thus adversely impact the market.  When you have a SOTD at £850 (which I did buy), this is a lot of money.  I have taken the decision not to chase after the forthcoming proof sovereign even though I have seen a couple of dealers taking pre-orders.  And I will not be that bothered about the SOTD for Charles' 75th birthday.

Everyone collects for different reasons and yes there’s a few things I’m taking a step back from, no way am I missing the coronation set, as I already have the Jubilee and Coronation I want to complete the Holy Trinity of these 3 5 coin sovereign sets. 
 

 

[begineersluck]

Already have the 1oz corornation gold proof and the SOTD coronation sovereign being graded  and  ive cleared my credit card put money to one side for this 5 coin set,£5 BU, Piedfort sovereign  going to be well skint  as for the otheres for me the 1/2 sovereigns with a low mintage should be an option as well 

[JeffM]

On 24/05/2023 at 05:01, CaptCaveMan said:

I've always wondered if Charles would pass the on batton aka Crown early 🤔

Ditto on the SOTD for Charle's 75th B'day - mainly as I'm only after the key dates/kids birth years in Proof, then it's focussing back on the date runs for them... ruddy kids costing me a fortune 😆  One day I might be able to look at the Georgian era... 

I agree on the KCIII 75th birthday SOTD.  I could not care less.

I consider myself one of the luckiest men on Earth because I am cherishing my 1/40 oz. gold KCIII coronation coin.  And just as soon as I visit my optometrist for new magnifying glasses, I'll be able to see and enjoy it!

[refero]

so at the end of the day is it confirmed the 2023 proof sovereing-s will have the very same obverse and reverse of the Coronation Sotd?

[JeffM]

6 hours ago, refero said:

so at the end of the day is it confirmed the 2023 proof sovereing-s will have the very same obverse and reverse of the Coronation Sotd?

Yes, that is correct.

Based on the Royal proclamation published 17th March 2023, the 2023 King Charles III Sovereigns will be the first of the new king's reign to feature the classic Benedetto Pistrucci designed St George & Dragon reverse.  This obviously included the SOTD Sovereign.

Edited May 26, 2023 by JeffM

[REILsilver]

Evening/Morning, 

Just wondered I you could share your educated thoughts on the IOM 2023 coronation Sovereign I've seen about to be released?

I'm currently hovering over the sign me up to buy button. I like the design, and think it could be a good little investment for the future.

However, £895 for a sovereign! I'm new to this, but that it seems a little steep, or am I a little tight?

Tia.

[westminstrel]

5 hours ago, REILsilver said:

Evening/Morning, 

Just wondered I you could share your educated thoughts on the IOM 2023 coronation Sovereign I've seen about to be released?

I'm currently hovering over the sign me up to buy button. I like the design, and think it could be a good little investment for the future.

However, £895 for a sovereign! I'm new to this, but that it seems a little steep, or am I a little tight?

Tia.

I’d say the Royal Mint Sovereigns are the quintessential Sovereign. Every other Mint that strikes a “sovereign” Is just using the name for their version of an approximately 8gm gold coin.

Yes, £895, for what is essentially a knock off, is ridiculous.

No matter the mintage, the there will almost always be a better collectibility factor, a more genuinely associated numismatic tradition, and a bigger market for the Royal Mint Sovereigns.

You would be much better off spending that £895 on the upcoming Coronation Proof Sovereign.

[GoldDiggerDave]

5 hours ago, REILsilver said:

Evening/Morning, 

Just wondered I you could share your educated thoughts on the IOM 2023 coronation Sovereign I've seen about to be released?

I'm currently hovering over the sign me up to buy button. I like the design, and think it could be a good little investment for the future.

However, £895 for a sovereign! I'm new to this, but that it seems a little steep, or am I a little tight?

Tia.

Buy  because you like it!  Investment no. Can you explain your research into proving this is an investment?  Or is it wishful thinking?  Imo wishful thinking is zero ground to be making a purely investment decision. 
 

We all end up paying for our numismatic education so make the right decision fit yourself.  
 

Can you explain or do you know the difference between a liability and an investment?  Not a trick question many people who stack silver can’t answer this one. 

[REILsilver]

1 hour ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Buy  because you like it!  Investment no. Can you explain your research into proving this is an investment?  Or is it wishful thinking?  Imo wishful thinking is zero ground to be making a purely investment decision. 
 

We all end up paying for our numismatic education so make the right decision fit yourself.  
 

Can you explain or do you know the difference between a liability and an investment?  Not a trick question many people who stack silver can’t answer this one. 

Like I said I am very new to this, I've been collecting/stacking for 2/3 weeks. My knowledge on the whole selling stacking and what's popular and what's not is very, very limited. Most coming from TSF.

As a result of this, I have been purely buying what I like. The IOM coin, in my opinion, looks really good and with a very limited mintage, unlike the other coronation coins, as far as i know?

Investment may have been the wrong word. However, when seeing coins like the 2002 jubilee sovereign for example, one is lead to believe that any of the coronation coins could? This is most likely my lack of knowledge, leading me to this conclusion. 

So, in short, it would be a nice coin to own for a short period, to use to help grow my stack in the hopefully not so distant future?

Kost of the terms you guys use are alien to me. For example, only last night did i realise that the SOTD wasn't short for the sale of the day.🙈

I have already made silly mistakes along the way. Luckily, no really expensive ones as of yet🤞which is some of the reasoning for my question. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by REILsilver
Wrong example.

[REILsilver]

Just now, REILsilver said:

Like I said I am very new to this, I've been collecting/stacking for 2/3 weeks. My knowledge on the whole selling stacking and what's popular and what's not is very, very limited. Most coming from TSF.

As a result of this, I have been purely buying what I like. The IOM coin, in my opinion, looks really good and with a very limited mintage, unlike the other coronation coins, as far as i know?

Investment may have been the wrong word. However, when seeing coins like the 2005 jubilee sovereign asking £3000 for example, one is lead to believe that any of the coronation coins could? This is most likely my lack of knowledge, leading me to this conclusion. 

So, in short, it would be a nice coin to own for a short period, to use to help grow my stack in the hopefully not so distant future?

Kost of the terms you guys use are alien to me. For example, only last night did i realise that the SOTD wasn't short for the sale of the day.🙈

I have already made silly mistakes along the way. Luckily, no really expensive ones as of yet🤞which is some of the reasoning for my question. 

Long story, short - probably wishful thinking 🤣

[HerefordBullyun]

28 minutes ago, REILsilver said:

Like I said I am very new to this, I've been collecting/stacking for 2/3 weeks. My knowledge on the whole selling stacking and what's popular and what's not is very, very limited. Most coming from TSF.

As a result of this, I have been purely buying what I like. The IOM coin, in my opinion, looks really good and with a very limited mintage, unlike the other coronation coins, as far as i know?

Investment may have been the wrong word. However, when seeing coins like the 2002 jubilee sovereign for example, one is lead to believe that any of the coronation coins could? This is most likely my lack of knowledge, leading me to this conclusion. 

So, in short, it would be a nice coin to own for a short period, to use to help grow my stack in the hopefully not so distant future?

Kost of the terms you guys use are alien to me. For example, only last night did i realise that the SOTD wasn't short for the sale of the day.🙈

I have already made silly mistakes along the way. Luckily, no really expensive ones as of yet🤞which is some of the reasoning for my question. 

Youve missed the elephant in the room - Capital gains tax is due to decrease in the next couple of years - so id seriously consider what you are stacking, especially if you are considering yourself a large collection... 

[REILsilver]

6 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Youve missed the elephant in the room - Capital gains tax is due to decrease in the next couple of years - so id seriously consider what you are stacking, especially if you are considering yourself a large collection... 

I feel like a gold fish that's been dropped into the ocean. 

At the moment I'm stacking very little. I was hoping to change that over the coming months. 

Forgive my nieveity, how does caplets gains effect a private stack?