GoodAsGold

9 hours ago, Upsidedown said:

@stefffana I've got nothing to pitch in with mate but send me your details I fire you 20 quid over, hope it helps

Likewise @stefffana. I’m sorry you had to make the decision to sell some coins to assist you with family funeral costs. You always come across as quite cheerful on the forum and I chuckle at some of your comments when I’ve finished wetting myself with laughter reading most of @James32’s comments. The doc tells me there’s no cure for that apparently unless I top him off.

I’m sorry for your loss and please PM me with your bank details so I can match @Upsidedown’s thoughtful contribution too. Every bit hopefully helps.

3 hours ago, ccfcpaul said:

is it a double/full/half or full/half/quarter

The proof quarter sovs only started in 2009 buddy.

Were these coins AOOG Mr Touvex or just available on TSF?

I know who you are and that you have a solid reputation on the one FB group I’m on.

You’ll be busy packing and posting this lot off, so hopefully you’ll get back to me in your own time.

Exercise is clearly bad for me. Went out for a 6 mile walk this evening, had a shower and a bite to eat and watched a recorded TV programme. Logged back onto the forum and all of these coins had come and gone. I’m not sure whether I would have bought anything but at least I could have seen the prices. Blinked and I missed everything.

Well done Mr Touvex.

My daughter used to collect Pokémon cards when she was a teenager but sold a lot of them on EBay several years ago. I’m thinking of tapping her knowledge and getting some advice about them next time she visits, thanks to my sudden unanticipated interest in this thread after only 5 minutes.  She’s very savvy and owns 2 Harry Potter first edition books. Maybe I should take her to meet @GoldDiggerDavewhen I collect my next graded coin? She might end up owning my proof coins after all.

On a more trivial Pokémon note, my brother’s professional mime skills got him the part of Mr Mime in a film called Detective Pikachu. He was covered in various cables which were used to create the Mr Mime digital character itself. I don’t think they used him as the voice-over in that film, but he’s been used in that capacity in another film before. He also assisted in the making of the first couple of Harry Potter films and my kids both got freebie Harry Potter Stunt Crew baseball caps from him. I think the baseball caps were quite rare at the time too.

Holding on to your best coins is not a bad thing, so your plan is sound. As you’re listed as a stacker, should you need some cash in a hurry then you have the flexibility to sell off some of your bullion and keep the proofs perhaps. My itch was taking the plunge to buy my first ever gold coin 5 years ago. We’ve all faced the same predicament - and come back for more!

20 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

The 2022 Platinum Jubilee BU 5 sovereign piece was priced at £2635 by the RM on release. 

I bought one of those too, and still have it.  I think the coins make a nice pair, regardless of their investment potential.  

Much obliged for that info Stuntman.

Quintuples are certainly big coins which show all of the detail in larger format than smaller sovs (the Memorial sov design perhaps in particular). What I would say is that if you start collecting them then you’re entering more of a niche market should you ever want to sell. A lot of collectors maybe don’t have the funds to buy quintuples and stick to smaller versions, in particular the full £1 sovereign. 

You could argue that maybe the fractional sovs could become more popular than the full sov should the price of gold continue to rise historically and the full isn’t as affordable.

A good compromise could be the double if the quintuple is out of your immediate price range. Being the second largest coin it could very well appeal to you. It’s a lot more affordable than the break the bank quintuple, yet shows larger detail than the smaller sovs.

On 21/11/2023 at 10:50, apachebleu said:

 For comparison I paid 2500 for an ms70 jubillee matte quintuple

That was a very decent price. I don’t know the RM issue price for the raw Platinum Jubilee BU quintuple but Sovereign Rarities had an MS70 First Releases label one which was priced just the wrong side of £3K which I decided to buy last November.

By then the RM was showing the raw version as sold out, but with a price of £2.9K. I assume the price had been bumped up since the issue date but £2.5K for your MS70 quintuple surely has to be hard to beat. So hats off to you.

I bought both the matte Memorial and the matte Platinum Jubilee quintuples. The Memorial was purchased raw through a third party RM distributor on release date. It arrived with either hairs or other debris on it so I asked @GoldDiggerDave to conserve it and he did a delightful job. My matte Platinum Jubilee was bought graded. I didn’t have the cash to buy the proof versions at the time, but buying the matte versions didn’t turn out to be my best decisions. 

Little did I know that I’d go on to buy both proof versions several months along the line, so buying the matte versions proved to be a false economy with hindsight. I can always move them on though at some point. Truth of the matter is that they’re nice big shiny gold coins but they don’t have the same eye appeal as the proof versions in my humble opinion. 

On 08/11/2023 at 20:59, HerefordBullyun said:

No @James32 has lost his golden toilet - got his lav nicked....

True, but they didn’t steal his bog roll so he’s still got his paper gold.

That was one of the Hattons of London marketing company’s Una and the Lion series which was marketed as the world’s first 24 carat sovereign coins. They also have a VR Victoria Regina mintmark on them, along with the name of the coin size (quarter sov on this one). 

Having acquired a full size Una I was not best pleased to see various private Mints subsequently pushing them out in all sizes and with various mintmark tweaks. There were some EIC (East India Company) mintmark ones too.

My research closer to the time indicated that Hattons had an original mintage limitation of 2,999 quarter sovs, rising to 4,999 worldwide if they could flog any more. Their sales price was all over the place, commencing with an introductory price of £99, followed by £199 thereafter and a website price of £299 prior to sell out.  

2017 was such a busy year with 3 SOTDs, though I note that Rich’s book indicates that only the first SOTD of the year appears to have been a complete sell out. 

I recall that there was confusion at the time of how you would go about distinguishing between the first 2017 SOTD and the third one, as both had milled edges. Only the middle SOTD struck on 1 July 2017 has the plain edge.

Looking back at my notes, the 6 Feb SOTD is almost identical to the 20 Nov one but the 6 Feb one apparently has narrower ribbing on the reeded edge than the 20 Nov one. Geeks like @westminstrel will hopefully already know this of course.

I don’t have any of them myself, and although I like my coins slabbed, I think I would appreciate the beauty of the plain edge 2017 SOTD in its original capsule in this case, as I’m guessing that unique feature is largely hidden in a slab.

I apologise to @westminstrel for calling you a geek. Modern Sovereign Specialist sounds much better!

4 minutes ago, Orpster said:

I think asking on forums is a perfectly valid way of doing research, it is why it’s called a forum 

If someone else has already got the information the OP wants, or even just an opinion like mine, sharing it not only saves the OP time but anyone else who has a SOTD at grading and sees the post.  I also think active discussions like this encourage traffic to the site from google searches and potentially bring in new members.  If that search shows members being dismissive it will have the opposite effect.

Fair comment and I respect your point. I’ve sometimes helped out newcomers to the FB group when they ask for advice on certain quintuple sovs, for example. But I also think it pays to do your own research when trading. I also love the fact that TSF promotes discussion between like minded coin collectors, whereas a lot of stuff on FB seems to be requests from new members who have inherited a coin and just want to sell the damn thing before it burns a hole through their hand. FB group membership figures must be inflated by people with no particular interest in coin collecting but just want to flog a coin for cash and simply move on. 

7 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I’m a big advocate for people leaning to do their own homework. 
 

I agree with Dave’s comment. Whenever I see a coin that I already own being offered for sale elsewhere, I simply take a screenshot of it on my iPad for future reference. It mightn’t sell for the amount requested, but at least it gives me an indication of the present value of the coin @Jbend. Hopefully you’re in a financial position to take @Agaupl’s advice by holding on to your coin and get a taste for its value in the meantime.

@Orpster (who has already contributed to this thread) also freely offers advice on a FB group I belong to and, although our paths haven’t crossed as yet, I’m sure that a lot of TSF members will verify that he clearly knows his stuff.  Not forgetting @Paul of course, who sneaked his comment in ahead of me.

I acquired a 1989 4 coin set 5 years ago which also sat in the vault until I recently took the plunge and decided to get them conserved via NCS and graded using the services of GoldDigger.  I’m glad I made that decision as 3 of the set achieved PF70 UC, including the £5 coin. The exception was the full sov which was PF69 UC.

I’ve collected the majority of the quintuple special designs, but no longer see the need to hold the full set, hence my decision to get them professionally graded to get a better idea of their value. Having said that, I still hold the full set and haven’t put any up for sale yet due to the current market. I monitor sale prices of the 1989s on a FB group.

That’s my experience, so best of luck @modofantasma

46 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I can only hope that the 2024 sovereign is normal and therefore not worth buying 😅

Or sending back with QC issues.

Robin by name. Robbing by nature.

4 hours ago, HerefordBullyun said:

JB is wanting more money

Hi Bully. In future can you please use anything but Biden’s initials, or even POTUS will suffice maybe?

You gave me a nasty fright when I was reading your very informative content on this thread. Nothing to do with war, but JB are my wife’s initials.

10 hours ago, TheShinyStuff said:

More importantly though, like it or not, it is the first KC3 sovereign, and for that alone it is a significant coin.

Very good point. It makes me feel better for calling it quits after the Jubilee and Memorial purchases. I can happily live without the Charles crowned version now.

17 hours ago, GoodAsGold said:

The releases of the Jubilee series, the Memorial series and the Coronation series have hit collectors hard in our pockets as we all know. Likewise the cost of living crisis.  

I wasn’t too sure about stretching to a third quintuple purchase after the first 2 special releases. In the end, I decided to give the Coronation quintuple a miss, simply basing my decision on the fact that the Jubilee and Memorial special designs appear on the front of my slabs, whereas crowned Charles would only appear on the back.

The 2016 sov with the one-off effigy of the Queen suffered the same fate.

Having posted the above comments last night, I just wanted to clear something up. Some people may have read my original post and then wondered why I’ve just bought a Jubilee off QuantumStacker. My original Jubilee quintuple was the budget Matte version in a PF70 first release label. I’ve just upgraded to the proof PF70 quintuple courtesy of QuantumStacker. My original Memorial quintuple was a raw Matte, which I upgraded several months ago by buying one of ST1986’s PF70 first releases. 

So basically I’d started on the big coin bottom steps with the matte versions and I’ve just clawed my way upwards. I’ll stick with my decision to steer clear of the Coronation versions though. Not the greatest decisions to avoid the costly proofs and initially just buy the cheaper mattes. I’ve shelled out a lot since by getting the proofs now anyway, so I think I’ve righted my initial 2 wrongs. Each to their own and their own budget at the time, but I’ve got a growing backlog of coins that I need to move on when the market conditions are better.

6 hours ago, Paul said:

You've made an excellent choice 👍 👏 well done. This will be a future classic 

You know you’re on the right path when you get the Paul seal of approval. Thanks @Paul

How much do baked beans cost these days @Paul?  I’m not so sure these are even easy to afford these days.

I would like to buy it please @QuantumStacker. I’ve stared at it for far too long LOL. It would be an upgrade on my matte version. Please PM me at your earliest opportunity for BT details. If the Forum goes offline for the server issues in the meantime then of course I’ll keep my offer open. Cheers.

1 minute ago, James32 said:

You can have the sides reversed with NGC, someone recently had it done with the coronation set.

Thank you for that James. I wish I’d known that before my 1989s were recently graded. I love the Tudor Rose reverse.