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This is primarily a safe deposit company from the ROI which has been branching out around the UK for quite a few years. I was a customer in one location but then switched to a more convenient one when it opened. I know of several TSF members who use them in other locations in the UK. Their prices are uncompetitive when compared to the top bullion dealers. End of story.

5 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

By the way, I’ve heard many people mispronounce the name Pistrucci.

It’s pronounced with a -CHEE ending, not -KEY.

I think it’s important to pronounce foreign names correctly so I’ll try to remember that he’s a CHEE and not a KEY.

Piedfort (P-A-4) and pie fort spring to mind. Sorry to see the state of the coin you received by the way.

I have a 1989 proof double sovereign graded by NGC as PF70 Ultra Cameo but that’s worth £1,800 in the current market. They were fetching around £2K on FB before the market dipped ahead of last winter. No particular rush to sell it but available at the correct price.

@AdminSupport Are you able to tidy up this old thread from Jan 2023 please? It seems to have been accidentally hijacked today by a member going off topic on a separate agenda about his own coin. 

I initially thought Lawrence Chard was back again until I realised the dates of the earlier comments.

19 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I’ll give it a bit of a polish and shine and show the results this weekend 

Nice very detailed photos Dave. A picture paints a thousand words but your video does all the talking (even though it’s silent). Nice to see the coin broken out of the capsule. Well done.

I haven’t got a George V so I’d like to buy your 1911 full sovereign please, providing you accept Bank Transfer. RM Special delivery to be added to your cost. Please PM me thanks.

On 11/03/2024 at 14:32, paulmerton said:

They're proud of their low returns rate.

And while it remains low, it's not worth their effort improving quality. They can just pump this stuff out, knowing that most of it will be accepted regardless.

When something has a £2k premium, I think they can justify having someone spend a full 2 minutes looking at the coin for defects.

But they don't.

Just catching up with this thread and I sadly have to agree with the above comments.

Think about it, why should the RM pay staff, temps or anyone for Quality Control when the customers do it for free?

I don’t have any Piedfort coins to grade but I would imagine that a nice chunky Piedfort might look undistinguished in a slab. I think I’d appreciate its thickness better in a capsule rather than a slab. 

It would also irritate me when the NGC label states “Piefort” rather than the original “Piedfort” french translation for heavy foot, or heavy weight when it comes to coins.

Nothing to do with pies whatsoever.

So those charts use candles?  3 candles I could understand, maybe even 5. But they’re so open to misinterpretation when there’s 4.

£ 2,425 when released by the RM @James32. That’s a bargain price for the raw coin. Daylight robbery for a PR70. Well done!

Cheers @cliveb13.  I’ve been watching the £5 1989 sov for ages on Karl’s website (Mr 1817). The reason being that I want to get a rough idea what my own is worth.

My own 1989 long set was submitted for conservation and grading to NCS/NGC through Dave’s service last year and only the full £1 sov failed to achieve PF70 UC. That coin has recently been moved on (in response to Touvex’s wanted PF69 post) but the top grades £5, £2 and half are still with me on hold.

A weird market as you say, but hopefully not the new normal for much longer. I agree - we’ll see. Enjoy your big Platinum Jubilee gold coin when it arrives.

9 hours ago, cliveb13 said:

Dave

this is an astounding price for a perfect great coin. Think I should own it & wait for market to recover somewhat. 
I’ll take it please & we’ll be meeting soon I hope so put my name on it & I’ll pay your chosen account . 
thank you to @9x883 for the heads up to this post. My email alerts have disappeared again !! Aaaaargh 

clive 

 

Congratulations Clive. A good purchase at a bargain price. My own is in the same FR label slab, albeit at the wrong side of £3K. You did well.

29 minutes ago, 9x883 said:

Thanks. It's PCGS top pop! Usually fetch £1800 🤷‍♂️ lovely coin. 

Not too long ago some NGC PF70s £2 versions were being snapped up for £2K. Surely the gold price will push the price of key year editions back up in the not too distant future. I’m holding my own one for the time being.

1 hour ago, SilverJacks said:

All the fake slabs I've seen seem relatively easy to spot. As for opened and resealed slabs, Ive never encountered one, but I have heard it is possible. It's gonna be really tricky to do without leaving any sign of tampering, but I guess it is within the realms of possibility.

As previously stated, the NGC/PCGS photos are key to peace of mind. You can compare the slab to the images for any unique identifiers. This is relatively easy on older coins, but even new coins is still very much acheivable. You can even count the serations between the prongs, or a dust speck, or a unique mark on the slab, such as the plastic weld marks. There is also the label which often has unique marks on it such as little blobs or slight blur on the print.

If everything in the photo matches the slabbed coin in your possession, then you can really rely on it being legit. Imagine the difficulty a counterfeiter would have to go through to match everything up. Match the coins unique identifying features, the serrations, the orientation alignment, and using the resealed slab without any damage. That would take so much time that it would have to be a very high-end coin to be worth their while, and even then it does not seem realistically achievable. 

The problem for me is the older generations of holders. Not only am i not familair with the slabs, but their are no images on the NGC/PCGS website to refer to. 

The only thing I could add to the above comments is that having done lots of “spot the difference” cartoons mostly in my childhood, I couldn’t resist the urge to compare the barcodes between the NGC/PCGS photos and the slab as well. Just don’t sneeze when you’ve almost finished.  

18 hours ago, APM said:

I hope I'm putting this in the right ? 

I'm wondering if any posters here would recommend there vault storage company ? 

 

Orpster is right. If you can afford precious metals then you can afford the price for peace of mind.

1 hour ago, Orpster said:

https://nottinghamvaults.co.uk/

 

The business operated by Seamus Fahy aka @James32. Have you not noticed that he holds a spare key to all of our boxes, regardless of location?

7 hours ago, paulmerton said:

People who want to make a profit want the low mintage numbers. People who simply want to be able to have the coin appreciate the larger mintage numbers.

5 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I disagree mate and we are allowed to, if coins don’t sell out then “real collectors” don’t want it most of the time. 

2024 proof sovereigns are for real collectors and low mintage and they still haven’t sold out the last time I checked.  And I do think these early proof sovereigns will eventually go the way of early 90 proofs.  
 

 

More servings of food for thought. Have to like these opposing views too. 

Personally this released isn’t quite my cup of tea. But I had to come down off the fence because all these splinters are hurting my arse. Looking forward to a few of the forthcoming Monarchs series (if they happen).  Let’s hope this GE release isn’t fraught with the usual QC issues for those of you buying the raw versions.

On 20/02/2024 at 18:46, Taikonaut said:

They finally sold out the 20z at the mint aftera week. I would more incline to compare this George and Dragon with the other homage to circulated coins such as the Gothic Crown than the The Graces or Una & Lion medallions.

In general numismatic the original George III crown has history and integrity as a currency not to be replaced by a contemporary commemorative piece that is a copy. Just like the Gothic Crown Vs the GE tribute piece.

21 hours ago, tpcob303 said:

 Surely the original Una and the lion was once a modern contemporary piece even though it wasn't a tribute. It was sold to special customers of the mint be it in silver or gold. The only difference is time, the una has had almost 200 years to get to where it is today along with the gothic crown or the three graces though other 2 coins not quite as long but still these also were sold nice, shiny and new like the modern GE series. Given time (more than our own life times) as we hand them down to future generations if we are serious collectors these will still appreciate in the long term, maybe not as much as a modern Una and the Lion already has. However to say these are copies would be wrong, I would say that EIC Una, Gothic and 3 Graces are copies. They are not produced by the national mint, they are not UK legal tender and instead licenced as alderney with effigies of the king or Queen that aren't featured on national currency, the series is probably more desirable than the alderney/EIC copies. So while these are reproductions, it has been well known for many modern reproductions to do just as well as the original counterpart like the Lamborghini Countach and it's modern reproduction which was released in relatively small numbers. It gives collectors who can't necessarily afford an original the chance to have that piece of history to pass on. Plus people wouldn't buy it if it were just a cheap copy that wouldn't be worth collecting knowing in the future it might grow in value, plus we continue to buy sovereigns year after year with the same design year after year yet I don't think many will care as long as we get the quality we want even though we know deep down only a few people might get a top grade 70 quality coin while the rest will have some sort of defect or milk spot. Not every gothic either has a Cameo on it yet people will pay good money regardless to have one. Yes the true collector would probably prefer an original piece if Numismatics than a modern piece but even as I said the original una, gothic, 3 graces and St george coins were nice, shiny modern stuff that we buy today. 

The beauty of TSF. Opposing views, well made, had to like them both.

14 hours ago, Zhorro said:

A cupronickel version could also encourage new collectors to come in, and who in future could move on to silver or gold coins.

Exactly how that particular bug started on me in 2016. Never bought another car since!

Yes. William Wellesley Pole. One time Master of the Royal Mint and the elder brother of the Duke of Wellington.

14 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Tell me this is not one of the sexiest golds to come out of the RM in years?  Just look at it, it's stunning.  

The 10oz silver is going to be very interesting if the raised edge lettering is in scale with the coin 

 

 

Hi Dave. I think you’ve taken my comments out of context. I wasn’t implying that this release is from a “Not So Great Engraver”. I was responding to tpcob303’s post wherein he stated “No more after this release for GE I expect”. I merely suggested a Not So Great Engraver series as a follow up, purely because the RM is flogging the music legends series to death and could do so again with the Great Engravers series.

Perhaps you meant to quote tpcob’s own lengthy follow up comments after my own one?

10 hours ago, tpcob303 said:

No more after this release for GE I expect. Pistrucci only did the farthing and medals really so I can't think of any other iconic coin they would try to do again. 

Well the RM is also flogging the music legends series to death, so why not?

How about The Not So Great Engravers series?  😊

11 hours ago, Paul said:

Would be nice if i can pick up a PF70 in gold down the road at some stage.

Below RRP ££££ possible ????? 🤔

If anyone can do it then the King of the cheeky opportunistic offer with cash readily available certainly can. You’ve done it before (I think) so you can certainly give it your best shot again. An enviable skill Paul. 

On 26/01/2024 at 18:52, MrStacker said:

Sometimes temptations and excitement can get the best of us in this beautiful hobby/passion but one must always try and stay focused on the end goal. 

Just revisiting this thread and the above comment sums it up perfectly for me.