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10 minutes ago, James32 said:

Thanks, yeah that was a great price congratulations.  Atkinsons have a 2020 slabbed ms69 at £1451 but just seems a tad high. 

That would be a little high for me, however I'm very much a bullion guy, the slabbed one i got was just pure luck as ATS just don't seem to hugely bother with graded stuff. If Atkinsons are advertising it as a slabbed one, i would guess they give more heed to that section of the market. I'd have to defer to someone that might be able to make more comment on how much grading affects the price on these sorts of coins though as whilst I'm aware of what the basics of grading involve and that this may be a desirable thing, i have no real expertise on how that changes what would be a reasonable price for these.

NGC's website seems to be suggesting $2250 USD (£1630) as of current time of posting to be the price for an MS69, so if that's correct, Atkinsons is still a good deal. But as i say, i would have to defer to someone who knows the market better to say if this is really the true price for these things.

4 minutes ago, James32 said:

If you dont mind me asking how much you paid total? If it was recent

Dont mind at all @James32 Was £1376.20 back at the start of August.

On 16/10/2021 at 08:09, modofantasma said:

I paid almost 6% (5.8 or so) premium on mine a month or so ago delivered, 2019 with no marks or damage or scratches

They're readily available closer to 10% but personally wouldn't pay that much. Big fan of the coin but at the end of the day it's bullion. 

Set a dealer email alert when they pop in stock there was a chap on h here who got a slabbed one at a very low premium ATS when they get stock or maybe HGM have had the best dealer prices I've seen in UK 

That would be me that got lucky with the Buffalo from ATS. I paid 5.5% over spot and had absolutely no idea it was coming slabbed. Not sure how much MS69 adds to a bullion coin, but i guess it cant hurt it.  I've also had a silver Panda that came in slabbed at MS69 in a mixed assortment of random date ones. Does seem that ATS don't really worry too much about something being graded so there are potentially some good deals to be had, although they are pretty much always going to be luck of the draw.

The 1oz will offer you the best value as far as premium is concerned if you go for something like a Krugerrand, but as others have said Sov's hold the edge in flexibility (although i don't think you would find it hard too shift a 1oz if you were just looking to liquidate in the future to a dealer or someone like that). I love my 1oz coins and they do feel lovely in the hand, but my next purchase is most likely going to be sovereigns so as to give my stack some better balance. At the end of the day, i would buy what you feel comfortable with, whichever you start with, there is nothing stopping you saving more in the future and buying both, i started with Silver, then Sov's then went to 1oz.

Picked up a couple of nice Pandas this morning. A 2015 and a 2014 that was a big surprise when it arrived graded at MS69

11 hours ago, modofantasma said:

Was that from ATS ? I had email alert but missed it

It was indeed, i originally went there looking for best price sovereigns but they didn't have any, spotted this one in the 1oz section and just couldn't pass it up. Loved the design for ages but never found one i could reconcile price wise with the bullion stacker in me till then. I think i have a new crown jewel in the pension stack.

Super happy with my latest Buffalo purchase, got it for a good price and then to my amazement, it turned up slabbed at MS69

If it wasn't for the crazy high premiums plus VAT on silver now, I'd definitely still be buying it, but then i am bullion focused rather than numismatic, so whilst there have been some beautiful coins released recently, they don't really tempt me. That being said, I'm definitely not getting rid of the silver i do currently have. It forms part of my pension fund and i have no plans to dispose of it till i finally admit to myself i don't really like working and would much rather sit by a pool. 😁

As for current and future purchases, they all have a distinctive gold colour at the moment!

For me personally, i would have no issue buying the old or new design as long at is was from a trusted source. I actually really quite like the old design and it certainly adds a little variation to things. And as @Geovest mentions, you can sometimes get lucky and get the old ones cheaper than the new design. 

I can see this making quite a nice collection. After all, there are plenty that collect the 1/20th and 1/10th oz coins. And if the pleasure you get is worth the premiums then I'd say go for it. It's not like it will ever be worthless, but it's definitely unlikely to turn you a profit.

Just to add my input for what that may be worth, as a number of others here have said, save it and get a sovereign every couple of months. Easy to sell, not bad premiums, CGT exempt, easy to store (18 years is going to accumulate you a fair bit!) and you still get quite a bit of variation if you are getting a mix of old and new designs. Then if you have a bit of spare change, feel free to treat yourself to some Silver just cause some of the designs are really pretty. I've almost exclusively switched to gold now due to the VAT and other premiums, but i do still appreciate a beautiful design once in a while, i just don't expect to get my money back on them.

The premiums were always going to jump once we came out the EU and couldn't import silver Vat free\at a reduced rate from there, however premiums also went up a lot at the same time and have been very slow to settle back down, if they have moved at all with some dealers. I have subsequently changed my strategy to a far more gold focused one as i simply don't see silver as viable with the mark ups at the moment. However if you are wanting silver as, even with the premiums, its still easier to get the cash together to buy a few ounces rather than 1 gram of gold (trust me, what ever you think it looks like, a 1 gram bar of gold is smaller than that! the silver will be much more satisfying to hold) somewhere like the selling pages on here would be the best place to buy it from. There is a good supply of interesting items and the premiums are about as good as you are going to find unless you get really lucky on somewhere like eBay (i would never recommend this for a new collector\stacker though).

33 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Hatton garden metals are currently selling krugs just over 2.8% over spot. 

Don't tell me things like that! I've already spent my quota for the month! 😂

Sovereigns will be the most liquid and as others have mentioned, it allows you to sell only a portion of your holding if you need\want to. However my first gold purchase was a 1oz Krugerrand. I'm unlikely to be worried about CGT any time soon and whilst i can appreciate a pretty coin, my heart is driven by pure bullion stacking. The 1oz Krug was the lowest premium 1oz coin i could find at the time so that was ultimately what sold me on that one.

On general run of the mill bullion bars it will make no difference, especially if you are selling back to a bullion dealer, they only care about how much it weights, how fine it is and what the spot price of the day is. Having said that, there are some bars that fall into the collectible category like PAMP and older Johnson Matthey which could command a premium due to the name. The only other thing i can think of is Umicore or Metalor might inspire a little more confidence in a buyer if you were selling directly to another person who was not perhaps overly familiar with other brands. So i would have a think about what your possible exit strategy is likely to be if you wanted to sell.

Didn't see a 2020 in the list, so thought I'd contribute