FourNinesFine

On 14/04/2023 at 19:40, Nowhereman said:

336-323 BC Alexander the great silver Drachm from Coincraft.

Obv Herakles facing right

Rev Zeus Enthroned

Eye watering history, quality and melt value.

 

Oh my. That's a thing.  💛

[Now I have to go and sing my special song for a couple of hours. "I only stack for value, I only stack for value"]

Thanks for the heads-up @Petra

As per the title, looking for a Godless Florin. Preferably, one that looks something like this:

But appreciating that they aren't all in such good nick, I'm looking to pay a fair price based on condition.

Please let me know if you have one available for sale and what you're asking for it. Priority given to higher grades (not expecting them to be *actually* graded).

Essential that photos are of the actual coin you have - not stock images. If you could include any description to supplement your assessment of its condition, that would be helpful for me. Not looking for you to submit a homework essay or anything that like that 😄 - but in obtaining some independent advice from a forum member on some of the coins currently available on ebay - let's just say there were some 'interesting margins' between the actual condition and the stated condition & price. 🤑

Obviously, I'll be looking to give people time to find / reply to this post and to assess what's on offer, so I may not respond immediately.

Happy to discuss further as required [as I'm not used to doing wanted ads].

Hope that's all reasonable and makes sense.

Thanks.

FNF.

2 minutes ago, motorbikez said:

Received this from @James32 thanks ,the start of a date run.

 

That 2002 is really spoiling the aesthetic, so I'll take it off your hands... you know, as a favour to you. 

Nice collection!

8 minutes ago, CANV said:

use fivers.  they will get there soon. 

Classic case of, its funny because its true...

2 minutes ago, daca said:

25 Years - Jubilee Edition is out

 

Holy moly, that's a whopper.

1 hour ago, sovereignsteve said:

Not really a mule which is when an obverse and reverse that shouldn't be together are used. This is really an "overdate" or "die error"

It's the 2010 /2009 that is the mule.

All i can say in my defense is that there are multiple sources that refer to this as a mule: 

"... a mule coin is one struck from two dies which were never intended to be used together."

But I'm not experienced enough to argue with anyone about it.  😆

14 minutes ago, FrankFranklin said:

Can you msg me if the bar is for sale. Thanks.

@FlorinCollector 

Thanks to @PapaLazarou for some further info on the Zambia Elephant run and a reminder to include the 2015 'mule'.

🐘 🐘

silver here

I've done some further research over the weekend in order to try and establish mintage numbers. 

I'm updating the original post with findings. 

There are some discrepancies but where I could find at least a couple of sources with the same figure, I've gone with that. Some couldn't be corroborated so are assumptions. But again, I'm not claiming any authority on this info... just sharing what I've found so far. 

@sovereignsteve it looks like the mintage for the first 5 years was very low. Certainly only 5000 in 2004 and there's a fair chance that the numbers are similar for 05 through 08... though Numista does suggest up to 25,000 for 2005 and 20,000 for 2006 (but this latter may be due to the minting of an anniversary coin in the same year).

In any event, the 2004 looks like it's in the £300 region and if the rest of the early run follows a similar trend, it blows my chances of buying them in one go as a set. 

If your are minded at any point to sell them as single units, or to bundle the higher mintage ones (2009+), let me know.

2 hours ago, Chrisplym said:

Good morning @FourNinesFine. 

I have to admit that I had forgotten how nice these coins look so I am no longer sure whether I want to sell. Sorry about this.

Completely understandable. No problem. 👍 

I've had some further info, above and through PMs so will look to update the post over the weekend.

Thanks @sovereignsteve, that's interesting. Obviously I'd be interested in picking these up if you have them available but I have no idea on valuing then either. If any of them have gone astronomical, it may stretch my budget...

I'll try and do some research but if you have any thoughts let me know.

Thanks too @Chrisplym. If it's easy enough for you to check, then that would be good. It may be that sovereignsteve can supply all in one batch so I'm exploring that, so please don't go out of your way. But if simple enough then I'd be interested.

Thanks. 

That's awesome. 

I'll bookmark this message and if I'm still struggling decades from now, I'll have to start making overseas journeys! 

😀 

3 minutes ago, Earthmetal said:

Absolutely not! Unless of course they are excellent grades or rare dates, but then you're a coin collector not a stacker.

I'm afraid I can't agree to avoid them though, as long as you stick to roughly around spot you can't go wrong no matter what the denomination is.
In fact you may find, as I do, that a wider variety is more interesting. I have them all but still only bought by the weight.

Excellent. I'll keep my eyes open on the forum. From my searches so far, it seems that nobody wants to offer it at spot from a dealer.

And I know there is some bulk on offer at the mo, but as much as I'm happy with worn etc. I don't necessarily want holed as my first batch.

Thanks again.

40 minutes ago, SidS said:

In my opinion the silver threepence should be avoided at all costs.

They're small and thus can lose a lot of weight with relatively little wear.

They're almost always over priced and other than the odd date they're not rare.

I'll go out on a limb and say they're not actually as popular as sellers try to make out. Apart from Christmas times when people wanted to put them in Xmas puddings, they were not liked by the population. The working classes with rough calloused hands from manual jobs hated them as they were fiddly and bronze coins were easier to handle. When the brass threepence came out in 1937, it didn't take long for it to superceed the silver one.

Sixpences are better but not great value for money.

If you want to bulk buy silver then halfcrowns and florins are the way to go.

Thanks for that. As always, very helpful and advice I shall heed!

So I absolutely should not be paying £4 per coin for mixed date general circulation (0.500) silver threepence?

or £3 per coin for 1920 - 1946 general circulation (0.500) silver sixpence?

or do these command an accepted premium?

(And why is the threepence more valuable if it contains less silver by weight?

10 hours ago, AgCoyote said:

It's heretical to not like the Pestrucci sovereigns.

Yes, I was a bit worried about that. But, heresy is kinda my thing, so it's on brand for me!  😆

1 hour ago, Stuntman said:

Philistine! 😉😁

 😉 

That said - purely for stacking/liquidity I would choose sovereigns over 1/4 oz gold coins and instead consider saving up for the occasional 1oz gold coin.

This is pretty much my strategy, I think.

1 hour ago, modofantasma said:

The 1989 is proof only and has a hefty premium Vs bullion

If you're interested in 1887 and earlier shields you'll pay a little more for good examples. Once you get a shield I think you'll be hooked 

I'm on my phone so reading the responses in reverse order.

Thanks for pointing out the 1989 is proof only. I had no idea.

As for the shields... "You'll be hooked" - I actually think you're spot on about that. I don't own one yet but I can almost feel it in my hand. That's weird isn't it?

43 minutes ago, StackemHigh said:

There are plenty of non RM  sovereigns that have been issued by other mints/countries.

Well I'd never even thought about that. Will probably stick to RM ones unless the price seems too good to pass up but I doubt I'll go hunting for them.

Thanks for pointing them out though.

36 minutes ago, Wileyfox said:

 if for now you forego picking up the super collectible 1989 proof sov then it'll really be a 'Shield Back' and the 2002 shield that you're after.

 

Thanks Wiley! Sensible advice.

I saw a couple of the 1989 proof sovs online. Were they ONLY released as proofs? I hadn't realised that if so, and would definitely rule them out.

I began stacking Soveriegns in 2022. This has turned out to be serendipitous (though quite by accident) as it is one of the rare occasions that the reverse didn't feature St George in one design or another.

To be upfront about it, I don't like the George & Dragon design. I'm sure that will have the purists foaming at the mouth, but as with all things of an aesthetic nature, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there have been some notable variations, even to old St. George - thinking of 2005 and 2012 here. But all things considered, my preferences still lean toward those that forego His Saintliness entirely.

I've leaned heavily on @LawrenceChard's homework from the very helpful: https://www.chards.co.uk/guides/tails-the-designs-on-the-reverse-of-british-sovereigns/156?guide=1574

From which I have gleaned the following:

1825 - 1871:  Ensigns Armorial or 'Shield Back'

1989:  Tudor rose

2002:  Shield

2022:  Jubilee  (QEII)
2022:  Memorial  (KCIII)

I've amassed a baffling number of the 2022 Jubilee sovereigns already and will undoubteedly pick up some of the Memorial KCIII versions too.

But as they're for stacking only, and I'm not in it for any truly numismatic purposes, do I need to forego picking up some of the others on the list?  I'm assuming they've breached the bullion bubble and have become 'collectible' - and therefore, not practical from a weight:price perspective, compared to others?

I'd welcome thoughts and perspectives - and will even accept being labelled a philistine.

All the best.

FNF.

14 minutes ago, Earthmetal said:

I drew this to help figure out spot price. It's in grams not ounces as these are very small items.

The first two columns are the official weight of the coins when new, the second two are the weight of pure silver. Both of course assume zero wear, as there can be considerable wear it becomes a small built-in 'premium'.

 

Awesome!