Stuntman

On 15/12/2022 at 21:30, Stuntman said:

Not too much on my wish list for 2023 at this stage, although that may change if the RM release a new bullion coin design that I like.

I have the 2022 Memorial BU five sovereign piece coming in January too.

So definitely a 2023 bullion sovereign and double sovereign, maybe two of each if they actually do release more than one bullion sovereign design dated 2023.

Then maybe a 1oz gold Tudor Beasts Dragon if I like the design.

Maybe some Great Engravers Bullion bars if they release the Gothic Crown design(s) in the bar format and I like the design.  Probably a 1oz silver bar even if I don't like it, but ideally a 10 oz silver and 1 oz gold as well.

That's probably it...

The 2022 Memorial five sovereign piece finally turned up in March, after ordering it in November I think it was... 

Bought bullion versions of the Memorial sov and double sov.

Bought bullion versions of the Coronation sov and double sov.

Bought 1oz gold bullion Coronation Cypher coin, Coronation Britannia coin, and Coronation bar.

That was it for 2023, and I'm happy with those additions 🙂

I'm not especially impressed with any of them.  The Olympics/Paralympics 50p reminds me a bit of the Rwanda Lunar coins.

I'll look for the 50p coins if they release them as circulating currency coins but otherwise I'm not particularly interested.

Shame, really.  Some of the previous commemorative designs have been very good, especially some of the £2 coins.

If this new coin is effectively a restrike of the 1818-20 crown coins (not sovereigns), the engraver is Pistrucci anyway. It's not a Wyon design.

The design is subtly different to the 1817-1820 sovereigns and so I don't think it will be too much of an issue for holders of the 2017 5-sovereign coins.  They are possibly aimed at different types of collector.

I'd love one of these new coins, but this series is too rich for my blood in gold and I also haven't gone for any of them in silver.  However, I think this is the second-nicest design so far (Una & the Lion being easily the nicest).

In my opinion, it looks like it's going to be based on the design of the 1818-1820 crowns of George III and will indeed be the next in the Great Engravers series.

This design:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13172.html

I think it'll look lovely in proof silver and proof gold.  

2 hours ago, cjbcomm said:

Can't disagree with that. Struggling to see the value with the 69's if at a premium. Stick to the proofs I think.

Some decent prices on the recent bullion versions which they're now releasing individually rather than in proof sets

I'm building a little collection of these from 2020 onwards, although just the ones that I think are the most significant.

So I don't have the 2021 and I'm not going to look for a 2024, but I think the 2020 (first bullion double for many years), 2022J, 2022M and 2023 Coronation doubles make a nice little collection.  I'd add anything special or unusual that gets released in future years.

I'd love to have a proof double sovereign collection and would choose 1989, 2012, 2017 and 2022J as the first four coins if funds allowed.

5 hours ago, richatthecroft said:

Nice pick up.  This particular set is sought after- I’ve been an underbidder many times on a 1953 set- difficult to find under £900. 

Definitely a nice pick up.

I have a 1933 maundy set, just so that I can honestly say that I have a 1933 penny (UK numismatists will understand!)

Thankfully that set only owes me less than 20% of £900.

Thinking about it some more - how about buying two double sovereigns if you don't already have some?  At the moment you can still get a brand new bullion Memorial double and Coronation double for just over £1600 (directly from RM and the premiums are not completely ridiculous, although not great).  Both may sell for a bit of a premium in 10-15 years' time.

I'd say definitely choose full sovereigns in answer to the questions covering both value for money and long-term investing.

However, I do like a bullion double sovereign as it's a nice lump of gold on which to see the design and available without too much of a premium sometimes.  Dealers don't pay as much for them per gram as they do for a sovereign if/when you come to sell, though.  Nice to have a few as part a collection, less efficient for a stack.

Bullion £5 sovereigns are very thin on the ground, with 2000 being the only available date since 1902 I think.  Brilliant Uncirculated coins are nice if you can find older ones at lower premiums.  Again nice to have as part of a collection, but a more limited market to sell, especially if you have bought the coins at a fairly large premium to spot in the first place (e.g. 2017, 2022 Brilliant Uncirculated £5 designs).

I don't have any halves but these would be a good second choice for stacking, behind the full sovereign.

Option D is the correct and honourable one in order to sleep soundly at night.  If it is communicated sincerely, and you are interested in buying this coin for yourself or for onward selling, it may also give both buyer and friend an opportunity to do well out of the deal and both be happy with the outcome.

Put that Gold £5 reverse onto a 2025 sovereign, minus the crowned Hanoverian arms in the centre, replace the legend with ANNO and 2025 either side of the crown at the top and you've got an absolute winner.  Imagine that on a new double or quintuple...

@VeracityM - given that @AdamDutton is sending you another sovereign, why not just scrap this coin for whatever it's worth and remove it from the gene pool (so to speak).  That would eliminate any future risk of it being passed off as something it's not.

@GoldDiggerDave wants it, perhaps come to some arrangement with him?

I agree with @dicker that based on the pictures from Atkinsons and the ones posted earlier, the coin may not be a genuine sovereign.

There is probably still plenty of gold content in the coin but the colour, the characters in the date, the font of the legends and the quality of the strike give me grounds for concern regarding its genuineness.  And the XRF rating appears to confirm that too.

Glad that the buyer and seller have come to what seems like a very reasonable outcome for the buyer. 

48 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

What's the highest £/oz anyone can think of for a single item?

For modern stuff, I think a trial of the pyx 1/40oz silver Britannia would be hitting £4000/oz at launch price lol.

This has to be close to the top of the list:

https://www.ngccoin.uk/news/article/8210/#:~:text=A 1945 Silver Threepence certified by Numismatic Guaranty,online-only auction presented by Baldwin’s of St. James’s.

New Zealand Fern coins look nice I think.  Made by the NZ mint, contain 'New Zealand' on them and show the national symbol.  

If I was collecting world silver I'd be tempted to add one!

The Niue Turtle coin is a nice design in my opinion for a bit of world silver.  Also agree that a Somalian Elephant would be a good addition to your collection.

Netherlands Lion Dollar (restrike) coins started being minted again a few years ago, perhaps worth seeking out too?  Some nice designs to choose from I think.

Just over 110 oz at £25.67 per ounce.  Bullion coins and bars, all bought new from UK dealers for my sins, between 2017 and 2022 😲

It's a collection rather than a stack is what I keep telling myself!

2 hours ago, 9x883 said:

So what do you call Sundays event?

It's not head and shoulders or cup and handle.

Shark fin?🦈

High-backed throne.  And then a couple of steps leading down from it on the other side!

The standard Lighthouse capsules are quite good if you don't want to pay a little bit more for the (better, snugger) Air-Tite capsules.  Both options are fine for 1oz silver bullion coins I'd say.

For UK 1oz silver bullion coins it's the 39mm Lighthouse capsule.

Lighthouse Quadrums are also good.  Similar to Air-Tites, but in a square case which is the same size regardless of the inner insert size.  They are particularly good if you want to put various coins of different sizes in trays inside a coin case.

Available here (and other places of course):

https://www.coingallery.co.uk/lighthouse-capsules-35-c.asp

£1777.

Gold £1666.66

Silver £20.47

2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

At this rate of collaboration we will end up with a Boris and Biden  commemorative.  

 

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

This might be the relevant reverse design for the UK Britannia & Liberty coins:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/joint-liberty-britannia-coin-design-gets-first-review

If so - I'm cautiously optimistic, assuming the inscription is nicely integrated and the coin design looks cohesive overall.