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I am starting to look more at older coins but just wanted a rough guide of grade and any other comments on the 1816 silver shilling with photos below. I can then use this as a guide for future purchases, all comments appreciated. 
 

I am starting to look more at older coins but just wanted a rough guide of grade and any other comments on the 1816 silver shilling with photos below. I can then use this as a guide for future purchases, all comments appreciated. 
 

Simply because it is a free market and vendors can set prices as they choose i.e. the markup over what they pay the mint.
For much bigger variances see the Forum Comparison page below!
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https://www.thesilverforum.com/compare/
 

I use a spreadsheet for complete flexibility - and it works very well as I have complete control over it.  
 
I wouldn’t use an app because of the privacy aspect. 
 
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I'm sorry to hear about your potential loss; crazy as it sounds, on those rare occasions I buy anything over a few pounds in value from ebay, I ask a family member to video the package oponing.......
Good luck in getting your cash back.

Very simple to get them tested to prove they are genuine. Why gamble on a random eBay auction as a seller and lose money ?

You may have read this already but this is helpful,
 

I have had similar where I paid but didn’t hear anything, but this was with people I had traded with several times, so I did not worry. 
 
Generally, most folk tell me that they have received funds immediately and will pop in the post tomorrow / the next day.  
 
I think some recent events have highlighted the importance of trading reputation points and also their overall behaviour on the forum.  99.999 pct are genuinely decent people, but check their stats.
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Specifically the managed payments system now means that because eBay have direct access one of your bank accounts they can take any amount out of that bank account anytime they want without informing you they are going to take money out  
this was NOT the case with PayPal as you could withdraw money out of PayPal the second it hit the account if you had good positive feedback. and if a genuine dispute happened down the line  you could then re fund your  PayPal account  and refund the buyer if needed , something I have happily done on the few occasions a buyer justifiably needed a refund 
so Now with the only option as managed payments. say you sell a high value  item on eBay, a gold coin, a silver bar, a car or watch in fact anything at all 
the buyer gets the item sent to them while eBay holds the payment to the seller a few days. then later after eBay has had the interest on the money from the sale  for 48 hrs or so, they drop it into your bank account and all seems good.  Then the buyer says a couple of weeks/ a month later.  oh the item never turned up or its not as they thought. they don't want it blah blah blah  
eBay always side with the buyer in any dispute real or imagined ! So  eBay then dip back into your bank account and refund the buyer without even needing to inform you.
 Possible ( highly likely )end result is buyer has said item and your cash and you have a bank account balance that's minus the funds from the sale without eBay even having to inform you they have deducted funds from your account.
For me personally its a no thank you even with a dedicated bank account set up for managed payments
hence my Ebay account being closed..
like I said a personal thing but im done with eBay due to this
Regards 
DB 
 
  
 

Very simple to get them tested to prove they are genuine. Why gamble on a random eBay auction as a seller and lose money ?

Thank you, yes sure, It went from Cameo to Ultra Cameo on a 65. I had hoped it might tip onto a 66 but that hairline behind the kings head kept it back I think. I think it should always have been a UC. My main reason for conservation in this case was to improve the eye appeal and I was very happy

That is an excellent result !
Do you mind confirming what grade it got.

Just thought i’d share before and after photos of a coin ive recently had conserved. Most impressive and obvious improvements ive ever had.
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Good advice above. When selling on eBay I always take plenty of high quality photos for proof of the coin and as Pete mentions also use these on the listing. Also we take a video of the coin and packing process as further evidence. Then use a tracked postal service. That is about the best you can do. When people don’t do this there is risk they are opening themselves up to. Also a poorly Worded and formatted eBay list with poor photos suggests you are not being thorough.

As a seasoned stacker I agree with your comment that silver is in a bubble and the price is manipulated but in my world the price of silver is marked down and not high so once the bubble bursts silver should rise in price not fall. Gold on the other hand has had a good run of late and people panicked into gold believing the end of the world was imminent - think about the doomsday folks saying leaving the EU would sink the ship - so maybe gold is due a correction downwards.
Problem is nobody knows and regardless of "expert" advice the jury is out.
 

Never had a problem selling on eBay but that's not to say I don't get concerned.
I used to worry about the following scenario -
You have a person who has say a 3 or 4 coin proof set but 1 of the coins is marked.
This person buys your perfect coin to replace the marked one and claims the coin received is marked and sends it back.
In other words there was a swap and you receive back an inferior coin.
EBay 99.9999% of the time will favour the buyer so ALWAYS take good photographs of the coin you sell if that would be of concern.

As for bullion sovereigns etc just a picture that would identify it by its main marks and ideally a weight.
Uploading clear photographs on your listing is highly recommended as this is like a fingerprint of the coin.
If a scammer returned a substitute it would be easily identified as such.
Your seller protection only works if there is PROOF of delivery so take that in to account in selecting method of shipping.
My recommendation is to sell on this forum to a buyer with feedback for peace of mind and as there are no fees to deduct you may end up with a fair net price.
The only time I was let down badly by eBay was I purchased what was listed as a 1 kilo silver Kookaburra.
The listing had used library pictures.
What I received was a tiny replica weighing I guess about 5 grams that would be suitable as a necklace pendant.
The listing photographs showed the reeded edging of the Kook but the small replica was smooth as it wasn't thick enough to be reeded.
Luckily the seller acted "dim" and I was refunded but believe me there were anxious moments.
 

9 negatives for Telepon22 now.  He really went all out. I'll open my case tomorrow.  That's one coin i'll never see. Along with 5 from auction that are stuck with the courier somewhere unable to deliver. . Not been a good week for me. I'm going to stick with the tried and trusted from now on. 

It is likely this will lead to a continual fall off in the use of EBay as it puts an even greater risk on the user having to have a bank account exposed as well.
Having had a quick look on the EBay community forums long standing sellers are mentioning their sales volumes are dropping quickly since the change.

I'm glad people are stacking their coins with care!
I too would always prefer people to take resonable care of their coins.
Sure, an RM tube is probably the most efficient gold/sq.in but they rub!
400 ounce good delivery bars, or even kilo bars are more space efficient than coins in RM tubes, but not really as enjoyable unless you have enough of them.
When I see @LawrenceChard shuffling sovereigns in his hand, I cringe!! 
I'm sorry if me shuffling sovereigns makes you cringe. I tend to only do it with circulated coins, and even then I try to minimise the relative movement between them. There is a trade-off between processing efficiency and handling damage.
Sure, they're only bullion and they're not 999 but it seems so wrong....I mean, they're £300 plus.
Yes, I keep forgetting they've gone up from £4
You wouldn't chuck your Snap-On tools in a toolbox, no, you'd put them back on the socket rail they came from!
What's a socket rail? 🙂
On a serious note: I cringe at some of the treatment people give coins:
We quite often get proof sovereigns and proof sets, where the owners have had them all out of the capsules, got fingerprints and scratches on the coins, discarded the RM certificates, and chain-smoked so the boxes reek of smoke, and we have to "quarantine" them until the smell goes.
I remember collecting a large quantity (1000+) of sovereigns from an exclusive London address. The owners had bought them from us some years before, and paid extra for some new minty ones. When we arrived to collect them, we discovered they had let their kids use them as toys, so there were no longer any minty ones.
Another time, a chap bought a lot of modern proof gold from us over a few years, then some years later decided to sell them. He had taken the capsules out of the boxes so they could fit in his safe, but then let his grand-daughter sell many of them on ebay. the boxes he still had stank of tobacco smoke.
On a slight tangent, another thing which we find frustrating is when people bring us quite large "collections" of modern issues they have bought from one or more of the coin marketing companies. Often these are old people, usually not internet-savvy, and they have "invested" for their children, grand-children, etc, but never done any research until too late. It is quite common to hear that people have spent 6 figure amounts of money. One recent example must have cost about £600,000! We ended up paying him about 60% of that, but only because gold prices had gone up since he bought them. If he had bought bullion sovereigns, Britannias, or similar from us, he could have been getting over £1 million for them.
As it happens, there were many interesting coins, mainly because they were "new to us", but many of them are not highly sought after, and it requires considerable marketing effort to find good new homes for them. I suspect many dealers would have just bought them for scrap.
 

We've all been undercharging for our sovs, obviously. If only we could sell gold coins @ £3,825 per oz. But buy at £1,346 per oz. 
https://www.windsormint.co.uk/2013-elizabeth-ii-gold-sovereign-uk-2460041?number=UK_2460041
Personally, I don't recommend this deal. Notice the wording that this is a "rare" chance to own a 2013 sovereign.   

Food for thought...
 
 

Arrived back from @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions, so pleased with this.
Many thanks to @ChrisSilver & @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions for your help with getting this graded.

Oh yeah, sorry I worded that wrong, probably the painkillers I'm on tonight for my dislocated Knee 😉
I forget the rates but it is based on what tax bracket you are in.

Yes, it seems clear he is talking about @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer.
Although we would rather sell coins we have in stock, but in times of high demand like now and the 2007/8/9 credit/banking/sub-prime crisis, readily available bullion stock dries up, and not just on a UK level, but worldwide. During the Covid crisis, production and transport has also created supply tightness. Some dealers simply hike their premiums to rip-off levels, some shut up shop. We are happy to sell new coins which we often have to wait for too. We also make a market in secondary market bullion coins, but only those we have a reasonable expectation of covering in a reasonable time. 
While @Paul is entitled to his opinion "Not a great business practice, selling stuff you don't have", we disagree. This has been discussed on TSF previously, at great length. We always make it as clear as we possibly can whether we have coins in stock, and for items not in stock, expected supply times for new coins, secondary market supply is much harder to forecast. 
There is no need to "read the small print". If there is any likely delay, we show a very in-your-face pop-up banner which spells it out very clearly. This pop-up cannot be closed or dismissed withour making a positive choice about whether to continue or choose an alternative.
The main point is that we offer a choice.
 

Eighteen reasons to get excited about Sovereigns.
I received a lovely 1863 Victoria Sovereign today and this one concluded my 'Change of Portrait' Type Set from 1817 to present day 😅  The type set includes all the Portrait changes for each Monarch.  I have attempted to acquire the inaugural year date for each Portrait change. 
All the 19th Century examples are Sovereigns and where practicable, all of the 20th & 21st Century Sovereigns are Proof examples.  
Over time I will likely try and seek out a nicer example of the 1825 George IV; replace the 1836 William IV with the inaugural year of 1831; attempt to do the same by replacing the 1863 Victoria with a nice 1838 example and for Elizabeth II, replace the 1987 Maklouf Portrait with the inaugural 1985 year date.  
In the meantime, for those who appreciate them, enjoy the Sovereigns 😀
 

Benedetto Pistrucci 

Benedetto Pistrucci 

William Wyon

William Wyon

William Wyon 

Joseph Egar Boehm 

Thomas Brock

George William de Saulles

Bertram Mackennal

Humphrey Paget

Mary Gillick 

Arnold Machin

Arnold Machin

Raphel Maklouf

Bernard Sindall

Ian Rank- Broadley

Jody Clark 

James Butler