Grade advice on 1816 silver shilling

[Chorlton]

I am starting to look more at older coins but just wanted a rough guide of grade and any other comments on the 1816 silver shilling with photos below. I can then use this as a guide for future purchases, all comments appreciated. 

 

[pricha]

With respect i would personally place this coin in my pre 1920 box. That is a mixed bag, nothing outstanding but nothing awful. I am no expert on silver but the difference between prices circulated and uncirculated is huge. Way out of what i can afford or would be willing to pay sadly . 

[pricha]

This amazing site will give you a rough guide to price of old coins with regards to condition 

 

https://www.allcoinvalues.com/united-kingdom/uk-coin-values---1801-to-1967.html

[Arganto]

10 hours ago, Chorlton said:

I am starting to look more at older coins but just wanted a rough guide of grade and any other comments on the 1816 silver shilling with photos below. I can then use this as a guide for future purchases, all comments appreciated. 

 

That's a looker of a coin. From the photos looks to be uncirculated/choice uncirculated? Compares favourably to the ones on London Coins. Worth a few bob 😁

Edited June 26, 2021 by Liam84
* Specificity over my estimation 😁

[Chorlton]

4 minutes ago, pricha said:

This amazing site will give you a rough guide to price of old coins with regards to condition 

 

https://www.allcoinvalues.com/united-kingdom/uk-coin-values---1801-to-1967.html

Thanks that's a very useful site.

[Arganto]

1 minute ago, Chorlton said:

Thanks that's a very useful site.

Check out what's for sale here for comparison. Many are graded using the LCGS if the numbers are unfamiliar:

https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&searchterm=Shilling+1816&category=9&searchtype=1

[Chorlton]

Just now, Liam84 said:

Check out what's for sale here for comparison. Many are graded using the LCGS if the numbers are unfamiliar:

https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&searchterm=Shilling+1816&category=9&searchtype=1

Great thanks, I am having a look now.

[TeaTime]

I would grade it as AEF/GVF. It's a common coin and It's been cleaned. Guide price around £20-£30.

[Arganto]

35 minutes ago, TeaTime said:

I would grade it as AEF/GVF. It's a common coin and It's been cleaned. Guide price around £20-£30.

You can tell it's been cleaned from those photos? They're not in the best lighting and although there are some tell tale darker areas around the lettering it's difficult to tell if the fields have had a scrub...always best to get a whole bunch of high quality photographs or better still, see the coin in hand. As to be being a common coin, maybe so but a good one can fetch over £100 which for a shilling isn't a shy figure!

[TeaTime]

Sorry, I'm not talking about it being scrubbed - it may well have no hairlines in the field - but it's of an age and been out of circulation for long enough that it should have clear signs of toning. The colour is too uniform for it not have had a clean - albeit not necessarily recently.

It's a nice looking coin but not good enough to be a uniform EF which would give it a book price (dealers price) of £75. The previous estimate i gave was for a sixpence because i was too lazy to read your post properly. My bad.

There's a lot of 'discretion' used in grading coins so maybe i'm just too fussy...

[Murph]

I'd have said it was almost eF as well.  Maybe the obverse is EF with reverse being a bit below.  I'd think it's been cleaned as well although close to the letters isn't that much more dirty.  You can usually see where they couldn't clean in between letters as well.

The tone doesn't look natural either but that could be the picture and there doesn't appear to look like there is any lustre (although that's more a guess as it doesn't show well in pictures often).

I also tend to grade on the conservative side.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Murph

[Chorlton]

Thanks for the replies, and explanations they are very helpful. I also tend to the cautious side when looking at coins.