2024 Proof sovereign

[tpcob303]

I just sold my graded 3 coin coronation set, plus some bullion so that I could buy myself a 4 coin coronation sovereign set to complete the 4 coin sets of jubilee, memorial and coronation. 

The question is what will be worth more the 2023 Crowned Coronation SOTD or the slightly lower mintage 2023 Uncrowned 75th Birthday SOTD sovereign?

Not buying 2024, will just get a few bullion coins I'm pretty much broke now with only the reverse proof morgan and Peace dollar set on order with the remainder of money in my bank set aside for that there is nothing left for anything else until next pay day. 

[tpcob303]

On 27/10/2023 at 13:30, GoldDiggerDave said:

Got it! RM gold proof Pokémon cards! 

 

[refero]

1 hour ago, tpcob303 said:

The question is what will be worth more the 2023 Crowned Coronation SOTD or the slightly lower mintage 2023 Uncrowned 75th Birthday SOTD sovereign?

i dont see how a 75th birthday Sotd sovereign can perform well in the future. It is just one amongst a many. 725 gbp is just too high for this coin to get some extra value in the future. Low mintage helps, but you cant compare the coronation sovereign charm and a bithday sotd in my opinion..

[Olivard]

35 minutes ago, refero said:

i dont see how a 75th birthday Sotd sovereign can perform well in the future. It is just one amongst a many. 725 gbp is just too high for this coin to get some extra value in the future. Low mintage helps, but you cant compare the coronation sovereign charm and a bithday sotd in my opinion..

It's actually £850. The 2024 proof is £725.

The SOTD is an uncrowned portrait making it different from all the other sovereigns this year. In the future that may well have an attraction to some collectors.

Time will tell ...

Edited November 7, 2023 by Olivard

[refero]

850 gbp you are right. even worse

i happily paid 830gbp (if i m not mistaken) for the Sotd coronation sovereign. I have of course no idea about its future value, but that is indeed a once in a life time momentum. 

[SiCole]

SOTD's are still available.

For reference the coronation ones were sold out in under 30 mins (conservatively) and one big dealer was sold out in under a minute of being live.

[Muncle]

The latest SOTD are all now currently reserved according to the RM website.

[Olivard]

7 minutes ago, Muncle said:

The latest SOTD are all now currently reserved according to the RM website.

Not many dealers seem to have been selling it on their web site. Apart from RM only seen it on BBP.

[Olivard]

11 hours ago, Muncle said:

The latest SOTD are all now currently reserved according to the RM website.

Available again.

Don't know how many have reappeared.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Olivard

[refero]

just had a look at RM website. Everything is pretty much still available (maybe just the 5 coin set).

So sad.

[Darr3nG]

Got a call from my RM account manager earlier, looking to push the 2024 proof range - everything available.

I said I wasn't in the market right now, and got the response that many of her customers are in the same boat.

[James32]

2 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

Got a call from my RM account manager earlier, looking to push the 2024 proof range - everything available.

I said I wasn't in the market right now, and got the response that many of her customers are in the same boat.

Where is this "not in the market boat" one speaks of?

[Darr3nG]

Just now, James32 said:

Where is this "not in the market boat" one speaks of?

Bottom of the Irish Sea?

[paulmerton]

57 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

Got a call from my RM account manager earlier, looking to push the 2024 proof range - everything available.

I said I wasn't in the market right now, and got the response that many of her customers are in the same boat.

Definitely hard to buy the latest 5-coin set when the arguably better 5-coin coronation sets are 22% less on BBP.

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

36 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Definitely hard to buy the latest 5-coin set when the arguably better 5-coin coronation sets are 22% less on BBP.

I saw here on TSF the other day speculation that the 2025 sovereigns could have another special reverse. Apparently 1825 was when the shield back sovereigns were first released. Image courtesy to Sovereign Rarities. 

Not a sure thing merely speculation, but as the MO of Royal Mint these days nothing is impossible. If indeed they went ahead with shield back, it's not certain if the £5 and £2 will bear the mantled escutcheon. 

[paulmerton]

20 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

I saw here on TSF the other day speculation that the 2025 sovereigns could have another special reverse. Apparently 1825 was when the shield back sovereigns were first released. Image courtesy to Sovereign Rarities. 

Not a sure thing merely speculation, but as the MO of Royal Mint these days nothing is impossible. If indeed they went ahead with shield back, it's not certain if the £5 and £2 will bear the mantled escutcheon. 

Oh my, what a time to be alive!

Part of me wants this to happen, part of me doesn't 🤣

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

42 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Oh my, what a time to be alive!

Part of me wants this to happen, part of me doesn't 🤣

I wouldn't count on it. It's at best an educated bet.

But it'll be spectacular to see in hand. The mantled £5 is one of my favourite of all milled coins, and the price of an original is simply prohibitive...

[Britannia47]

I would also like to see the more elaborate Merlen designed shield commemorated in some way. Victoria’s more typical full sovereign shield design has already been seen on the 2002 ‘Special’.  However, Victoria ‘s  ‘Ensigns Armorial’ was within a plain shield. Missing is the ‘White Horse of Hanover’  Of course the Merlen style shield appears on Victoria 1/2 sovereigns!

Both  Merlin’s designs - GIV and WIV are slightly different . Top left is 1929….

 

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

2 hours ago, Britannia47 said:

I would also like to see the more elaborate Merlen designed shield commemorated in some way. Victoria’s more typical full sovereign shield design has already been seen on the 2002 ‘Special’.  However, Victoria ‘s  ‘Ensigns Armorial’ was within a plain shield. Missing is the ‘White Horse of Hanover’  Of course the Merlen style shield appears on Victoria 1/2 sovereigns!

Both  Merlin’s designs - GIV and WIV are slightly different . Top left is 1929….

 

The 2002 reverse didn't have a legend, and I think that made it less appealing then the original.

If indeed they made shield 2025, again hypothetically, it remained unclear whether they'd include the legend ( most likely not, or they'd have to rework the obverse legend so that REX didn't appear twice. Likely the Hanover arms would be removed and the United Kingdom quarterly displayed solely, as they did in 1989 when they used the modern and proper escutcheon, not the original England and France.

One could only wish this all went ahead. The 1826 £5 was spectacular (see above, image from Numista)

Edited November 21, 2023 by SeverinDigsSovereigns

[Stuntman]

If they did a Merlen-style shield minus the Hanoverian arms in the centre, with ANNO 2025 underneath it (as per the William IV style) I'd be all over that in double and quintuple sizes.

Make it happen, RM...

[tpcob303]

3 hours ago, paulmerton said:

Oh my, what a time to be alive!

Part of me wants this to happen, part of me doesn't 🤣

This would have to be the regular design for an extensive period of time to warrant it or it could mess up the premiums on the jubilee, memorial and coronation sets and keep then suppressed for a longer period. Though I would love a return of the shield back, maybe not a good time as a special set unless it's long term. 

[apachebleu]

5 hours ago, paulmerton said:

Definitely hard to buy the latest 5-coin set when the arguably better 5-coin coronation sets are 22% less on BBP.

 I'm struggling to see where the coronation set is "arguably better" that set has serious provenance and a unique crowned portrait. 

 You would be mad to pay more for the 2024 set

[paulmerton]

11 minutes ago, apachebleu said:

 I'm struggling to see where the coronation set is "arguably better" that set has serious provenance and a unique crowned portrait. 

 You would be mad to pay more for the 2024 set

Wat

[apachebleu]

5 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Wat

 That was an overly long winded way of agreeing with you 😆 

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

4 minutes ago, apachebleu said:

 That was an overly long winded way of agreeing with you 😆 

You're not related to Sir Humphrey Appleby are you?