2023 Sovereign Release Date

[365DaysofSilver]

19 minutes ago, SheepStacker said:

I really hope not. I am not a big fan of the 2022 design.

I’ve also heard it’s the same design

[Silverlocks]

15 hours ago, GoldStatue said:

I think it will be just as popular if not more popular than the 2022.

Special reverse on a sovereign by itself makes people go crazy, but it also has the first obverse of Charles on the number one British collector's coin.

I can see it selling out just as fast as the 2022, secondary market prices going up straight away, flippers out in full force.

I want one and I'm going to try to get one on release day but I'm certainly going to avoid paying the secondary market prices.

There's going to be a load more coronation coin sets released next year for sure.

I presume they will keep minting it throughout 2023, though.  I would imagine supply will eventually catch up with demand.

[sovereignsteve]

1 hour ago, SheepStacker said:

I really hope not. I am not a big fan of the 2022 design.

Take it, we'll be stuck with the G&D design for a lot of years to come. Unless the Mint suddenly have a 2005 moment that is.

[SheepStacker]

6 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Take it, we'll be stuck with the G&D design for a lot of years to come. Unless the Mint suddenly have a 2005 moment that is.

 

[kimchi]

On 30/10/2022 at 09:26, ant1882 said:

Half sovs are a lot lower mintage in general I noticed, look at 2021... Only 1500 mintage for the standalone half proof Sovereigns. Seems to be around 2000 usually. 

 

On 30/10/2022 at 18:32, LawrenceChard said:

Half proof Sovereigns?

Obverse or reverse?

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Lawrence, what do you think about the contemporary use of the phrase 'half a sovereign' when sovereigns were circulating currency? For example, 'I'll give you half a sovereign for it'.

Edited November 10, 2022 by kimchi

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, kimchi said:

 

Lawrence, what do you think about the contemporary use of the phrase 'half a sovereign' when sovereigns were circulating currency? For example, 'I'll give you half a sovereign for it'.

It is rather similar to the common saying "half a crown", meaning a halfcrown.

Both convey their meanings quite accurately, and without much risk of accidental misunderstanding.

Of course, in both cases, someone being pedantic, or taking it literally, could imagine a crown or sovereign split into two halves. This is something which I might do for fun, or some people with autism or Asperger's might interpret literally for a different reason.

In the case of the 1963 Musical "Half a Sixpence", a literal interpretation was intended and understood.

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Edited November 10, 2022 by LawrenceChard

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, kimchi said:

 

Lawrence, what do you think about the contemporary use of the phrase 'half a sovereign' when sovereigns were circulating currency? For example, 'I'll give you half a sovereign for it'.

 

41 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

It is rather similar to the common saying "half a crown", meaning a halfcrown.

Both convey their meanings quite accurately, and without much risk of accidental misunderstanding.

Of course, in both cases, someone being pedantic, or taking it literally, could imagine a crown or sovereign split into two halves. This is something which I might do for fun, or some people with autism or Asperger's might interpret literally for a different reason.

In the case of the 1963 Musical "Half a Sixpence", a literal interpretation was intended and understood.

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I should have asked what you think!

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[kimchi]

32 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

I should have asked what you think!

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I think that you are right I'd just add that 'half a sov' in Victorian times, (it was revisting Sherlock Holmes that alerted me to the fact it was correct common parlance in the 1890s), may not actually mean a half sovereign, but a sum equivalent to - in the same way that while I would say I owe someone a tenner, I may in fact e.g. give them two fivers instead.

I just found it interesting because you picked up @ant1882 on 'half proof sov' (when I think anyone would know what was meant), and I wondered what people at the time would have called them, and if that 'slip' would have been 'acceptable'

Edited November 10, 2022 by kimchi

[LawrenceChard]

2 minutes ago, kimchi said:

I think that you are right I'd just add that 'half a sov' in Victorian times, (it was revisting Sherlock Holmes that alerted me to the fact it was correct common parlance in the 1890s), may not actually mean a half sovereign, but a sum equivalent to - in the same way that while I would say I owe someone a tenner, I may in fact e.g. give them two fivers instead.

I just found it interesting because you picked up @ant1882 on 'half proof sov' (when I think anyone would know what was meant), and I wondered what people at the time would have called them, and if that 'slip' would have been 'acceptable'

I had noticed that "half proof sovereign" had been mentioned earlier in the thread.

There had been much earlier discussions about "half proof sovereigns", including:

Although I can't find a contibution I made, with photos.

Although "half proof sovereign" is normally a syntax error or an oxymoron.

As such rarities do exist, and we might legitimately be referring to one, then the expression is unsound, and we should be careful to say "proof half sovereign", which is perfectly clear.

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[kimchi]

2 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Although "half proof sovereign" is normally a syntax error or an oxymoron.

If 'half a sovereign' is OK (and I think we are agreed it is) how would you insert 'proof' into the phrase? 

[Scootermuppet]

23 minutes ago, kimchi said:

If 'half a sovereign' is OK (and I think we are agreed it is) how would you insert 'proof' into the phrase? 

Half a Sovereign (Proof)...? 🤔

[Petra]

54 minutes ago, Scootermuppet said:

Half a Sovereign (Proof)...? 🤔

I have a proof half sovereign. It’s a half sovereign and it’s a proof coin. 😮🤔

[LawrenceChard]

2 hours ago, kimchi said:

If 'half a sovereign' is OK (and I think we are agreed it is) how would you insert 'proof' into the phrase? 

 

2 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

I had noticed that "half proof sovereign" had been mentioned earlier in the thread.

There had been much earlier discussions about "half proof sovereigns", including:

Although I can't find a contibution I made, with photos.

Although "half proof sovereign" is normally a syntax error or an oxymoron.

As such rarities do exist, and we might legitimately be referring to one, then the expression is unsound, and we should be careful to say "proof half sovereign", which is perfectly clear.

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we should be careful to say "proof half sovereign", which is perfectly clear.

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[Petra]

Get a grip people, English language isn’t that difficult!🤔😁😁 say what you see🥳

[kimchi]

14 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

we should be careful to say "proof half sovereign", which is perfectly clear.

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There is no need to be such a pedant when the meaning is clear to all, imvho you knew what was meant.

6 minutes ago, Petra said:

Get a grip people, English language isn’t that difficult!🤔😁😁 say what you see🥳

Then why does Lawrence pick up on minor mistakes by others when he makes terrible ones himself?

Why be so pedantic at all?

It just reflects badly on the forum imvho.

Edited November 10, 2022 by kimchi

[Allgoldcoins]

22 minutes ago, kimchi said:

There is no need to be such a pedant when the meaning is clear to all, imvho you knew what was meant.

Then why does Lawrence pick up on minor mistakes by others when he makes terrible ones himself?

Why be so pedantic at all?

It just reflects badly on the forum imvho.

I shouldn't worry I have sold 'half gold sovereigns before'  I have no idea what the other half was made of 🤣

[Petra]

23 minutes ago, kimchi said:

There is no need to be such a pedant when the meaning is clear to all, imvho you knew what was meant.

Then why does Lawrence pick up on minor mistakes by others when he makes terrible ones himself?

Why be so pedantic at all?

It just reflects badly on the forum imvho.

You scamp🤔🥳😁

[LawrenceChard]

30 minutes ago, kimchi said:

There is no need to be such a pedant when the meaning is clear to all, imvho you knew what was meant.

Then why does Lawrence pick up on minor mistakes by others when he makes terrible ones himself?

Why be so pedantic at all?

It just reflects badly on the forum imvho.

From considerable experience, even when one states something clearly and accurately, there will always be some who misunderstand or misinterpret what has been said.

If we use sloppy, inaccurate language, then there will be more mistake and misunderstandings, and these will be partly the fault of the writer. It is a better long term strategy to use language clearly and accurately, to get the message over clearly, and to eliminate or reduce the chance of misunderstandings.

Sure, I make mistakes, I am still finding some on our heritage websites written as far back as 1998.

What terrible mistakes have I made, that you are aware of?

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[SiCole]

On a slightly lighter note, are Chards offering a pre-order option for the five coin sets Lawrence? 

[365DaysofSilver]

Forget about YouTube boxing matches, let start up a Silver Forum one 😂

[LawrenceChard]

21 minutes ago, SiCole said:

On a slightly lighter note, are Chards offering a pre-order option for the five coin sets Lawrence? 

I know nothing...

.. and if I did, I could not tell you because of embargo.

Best to look at this:

Which is generic, and should not be understood to relate to any particular new coin issue from any country...

... except it probably will not include anything from Tristan da Cunha! *

* We already have plenty of old ones, going cheap.

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[LawrenceChard]

2 hours ago, kimchi said:

There is no need to be such a pedant when the meaning is clear to all, imvho you knew what was meant.

Then why does Lawrence pick up on minor mistakes by others when he makes terrible ones himself?

Why be so pedantic at all?

It just reflects badly on the forum imvho.

By coincidence, I just came across this TSF post:

 

"I have the 2014 double brilliant uncirculated sovereign coin..."

Does this mean his coin is twice as brilliant, or does he mean he has the 2014 brilliant uncirculated double sovereign coin?

It is ambiguous, unless you look for the context, then have to try and guess what he meant.

It would be so simple to just use good, clear, simple English!😎

 

[James32]

23 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

By coincidence, I just came across this TSF post:

 

"I have the 2014 double brilliant uncirculated sovereign coin..."

Does this mean his coin is twice as brilliant, or does he mean he has the 2014 brilliant uncirculated double sovereign coin?

It is ambiguous, unless you look for the context, then have to try and guess what he meant.

It would be so simple to just use good, clear, simple English!😎

 

Brilliant on the front and Brilliant on the back...I'm worried about the condition of the edge now though. 

[Roy]

 

[TheShinyStuff]

8 hours ago, James32 said:

Brilliant on the front and Brilliant on the back...I'm worried about the condition of the edge now though. 

'front' and 'back'... FFS!