2022 Piedfort Sovereign

[westminstrel]

As expected, the RM is going to release a Piedfort Sovereign this year, with the same Royal Coat of Arms design as the Proof Sovereign.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4016556

[GoldDiggerDave]

I'm sacking these this year!

[westminstrel]

The piedfort is usually sold mid year, along with the £5 BU, so there’s a while yet I think.

Edited March 19, 2022 by westminstrel

[marston59]

I've had the five coin set put into my account, issue is limited to 70.

[westminstrel]

Oh wow lovely. 

[Paul]

3 hours ago, marston59 said:

I've had the five coin set put into my account, issue is limited to 70.

The £5 will be a nice weighty chunk, X10 sovereigns worth of gold 

[LawrenceChard]

5 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I'm sacking these this year!

Are your sacks big enough to hold them all?

😎

[GoldStatue]

7 hours ago, marston59 said:

I've had the five coin set put into my account, issue is limited to 70.

Is that the plain rim version, I think this one is the milled version? I would imagine the mintage for the milled version would be a lot higher.

I'm always conflicted when I see piedfort sovereigns, sovereigns are known to represent a standard/trusted size/weight, when you double the weight and keep the same diameter are they really sovereigns anymore?

[Sc391]

Your comments lead me to understand this is a BU coin.  Limited mintage?

[marston59]

This is a pattern proof set

[westminstrel]

On 20/03/2022 at 02:50, GoldStatue said:

Is that the plain rim version, I think this one is the milled version? I would imagine the mintage for the milled version would be a lot higher.

I'm always conflicted when I see piedfort sovereigns, sovereigns are known to represent a standard/trusted size/weight, when you double the weight and keep the same diameter are they really sovereigns anymore?

Yes this is the “regular” milled edge version.

Regarding the term Piedfort Sovereign - I see it almost like the terms double, half, quarter Sovereign - they too have different specifications but are named after the baseline term “Sovereign”.

A piedfort coin is one that is double thickness and double weight of a similar coin of the same pattern. So piedfort Sovereign is simply a double thickness and weight of a Sovereign pattern.

[westminstrel]

On 20/03/2022 at 04:46, Sc391 said:

Your comments lead me to understand this is a BU coin.  Limited mintage?

There is a separate 5-coin “pattern” set comprising all 5 Sovereign denominations as piedfort coins (double thickness and weight) and with a plain edge. The limit is 70.

See discussion in other topic…

 

The piedfort Sovereign being discussed in here will have a milled edge and presumably (hopefully!) a higher mintage than 70.

And they are all proofs.

[westminstrel]

Meanwhile, I am looking for a 2019 Piedfort Sovereign.  Does anyone have any guidance on whether I should make a “want” post on the UK or Australia board? 😀

[BiigT]

What's the likely price of the 2022 piedfort? 

[GoldDiggerDave]

36 minutes ago, BiigT said:

What's the likely price of the 2022 piedfort? 

£1325 I'm guessing 

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

£1325 I'm guessing 

Yikes!!! 😐

[marston59]

THE SOVEREIGN 2022 GOLD PROOF PIEDFORT PATTERN SET

LIMITED EDITION 70

Quantity1

Total £11,995.00

[GoldDiggerDave]

Will try and get 10-12 of these.  

[Darr3nG]

44 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Will try and get 10-12 of these.  

Leave some for the rest of us!  

[LawrenceChard]

On 23/03/2022 at 06:31, westminstrel said:

A piedfort coin is one that is double thickness and double weight of a similar coin of the same pattern. So piedfort Sovereign is simply a double thickness and weight of a Sovereign pattern.

A piedfort is not necessarily double the weight and thickness, it is essentially heavier, although this also implies it must be thicker.

For once Wikipedia has got it right:

A piedfort  French: pied-fort or piéfort is an unusually thick coin, often exactly twice the normal weight and thickness of other coins of the same diameter and pattern. Piedforts are not normally circulated, and are only struck for presentation purposes by mint officials (such as patterns), or for collectors, dignitaries and other VIPs. Piedfort is commonly misspelled as "piefort".

🙂

[westminstrel]

11 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

A piedfort is not necessarily double the weight and thickness, it is essentially heavier, although this also implies it must be thicker.

For once Wikipedia has got it right:

A piedfort  French: pied-fort or piéfort is an unusually thick coin, often exactly twice the normal weight and thickness of other coins of the same diameter and pattern. Piedforts are not normally circulated, and are only struck for presentation purposes by mint officials (such as patterns), or for collectors, dignitaries and other VIPs. Piedfort is commonly misspelled as "piefort".

🙂

Thanks for the correction. I think I assumed that piedfort always meant “double thickness”.

I wonder where I got that from.

 

Hehehe 🤫 

[Zhorro]

16 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

£1325 I'm guessing 

This would make the 2022 bullion double sovereign look to be good value at about £750 - and the design is easier to see!

[westminstrel]

14 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

This would make the 2022 bullion double sovereign look to be good value at about £750 - and the design is easier to see!

That’s true. But the piedfort is a proof, and proofs are usually priced double that of bullion. So I guess it’s the finish / strike one is paying for.

That said, I want to get a bullion double Sovereign but I’ll wait and hope gold price goes down a bit before the end of the year.

[LawrenceChard]

4 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Thanks for the correction. I think I assumed that piedfort always meant “double thickness”.

I wonder where I got that from.

 

Hehehe 🤫 

I am not surprised!

Because I passed "O" level French, my first attempt at translating "piedfort" was "strong foot", but then I looked it up.

Actually I just used Google Translate, which also gives "strong foot", so I wasn't too far out.

The Royal Mint was also close, but no goldfish!

😎

[LawrenceChard]

On 23/03/2022 at 06:31, westminstrel said:

Yes this is the “regular” milled edge version.

Regarding the term Piedfort Sovereign - I see it almost like the terms double, half, quarter Sovereign - they too have different specifications but are named after the baseline term “Sovereign”.

A piedfort coin is one that is double thickness and double weight of a similar coin of the same pattern. So piedfort Sovereign is simply a double thickness and weight of a Sovereign pattern.

 

8 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

A piedfort is not necessarily double the weight and thickness, it is essentially heavier, although this also implies it must be thicker.

For once Wikipedia has got it right:

A piedfort  French: pied-fort or piéfort is an unusually thick coin, often exactly twice the normal weight and thickness of other coins of the same diameter and pattern. Piedforts are not normally circulated, and are only struck for presentation purposes by mint officials (such as patterns), or for collectors, dignitaries and other VIPs. Piedfort is commonly misspelled as "piefort".

🙂

 

8 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Thanks for the correction. I think I assumed that piedfort always meant “double thickness”.

I wonder where I got that from.

 

Hehehe 🤫 

I just found a blog page we did about Piedforts:

https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/piedfort-coins-heavyweight-coin-collecting/100