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Your £50,000 Fantasy Gold Sovereign Collection


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Superb topic.

Some people might chose proofs but I would go for the “honest” bullion Issues.

(1) High grade 1859 Ansell

(2) High grade Type 1 Sydney Sovereign 1855

(3) 1857 Sovereign with an error that I think is unknown - and is probably ultra rare 

That is probably more than 50k but is my fantasy list   

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Dicker

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Just this one coin which sold in auction for $504,000 last Mar 26, 2021:

1820 George III gold Proof Pattern 5 Pound (NGC PR63+UC) 1 of 25 extant

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Totally content to own for much less this 2009 Elizabeth II gold Proof 5 Pound (NGC PR70UC), instead

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1 hour ago, trozau said:

Just this one coin which sold in auction for $504,000 last Mar 26, 2021:

1820 George III gold Proof Pattern 5 Pound (NGC PR63+UC) 1 of 25 extant

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Totally content to own for much less this 2009 Elizabeth II gold Proof 5 Pound (NGC PR70UC), instead

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Is the Pistrucci signature unique to that particular coin only ?

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2 hours ago, dicker said:

Superb topic.

Some people might chose proofs but I would go for the “honest” bullion Issues.

(1) High grade 1859 Ansell

(2) High grade Type 1 Sydney Sovereign 1855

(3) 1857 Sovereign with an error that I think is unknown - and is probably ultra rare 

That is probably more than 50k but is my fantasy list   

Best

Dicker

With only 15 -25 Ansell sovereigns known to still exist, it's a very rare coin. In September 2012, the auctioneer Baldwin's offered for sale one of the finest Ansell sovereigns available. The hammer fell at £13,000 and with buyer's premium at 20%, it took the final purchase price to £15,600.

I wonder what grade it is and what its worth now.

Nice choice.

Im new to collecting but im leaning towards modern and older rarities.

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8 minutes ago, fethiye2003 said:

15 -25 Ansell sovereigns known to still exist

I may stand corrected, as am sometimes wrong, but this figure may be based on an EF or finer “grade”…definitely not trying to take away from the rarity of the variety. What I truly appreciate is the history and story of the Ansell variety.

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On 23/07/2021 at 17:29, fethiye2003 said:

Is the Pistrucci signature unique to that particular coin only ?

The Pistrucci signature en exergue first appeared on the circulating 1818 George III silver Crown and the 1820 George III gold 5 Pound Pattern. The original dies for the 1820 George III gold 5 Pound Pattern was used in the creation of the 2009 Elizabeth II gold 5 Pound Proof.

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Correct date on the George III circulating silver Crown.
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On 23/07/2021 at 23:52, CadmiumGreen said:

I may stand corrected, as am sometimes wrong, but this figure may be based on an EF or finer “grade”…definitely not trying to take away from the rarity of the variety. What I truly appreciate is the history and story of the Ansell variety.

I think you posted a photo of your Ansell.   A rather nice example from what I can remember.  Lucky man !

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On 23/07/2021 at 19:48, fethiye2003 said:

What would your choice of coins be ?

For investment purposes.

 

I think I would go with 14,285 bullion sovereigns from the days I used to sell them at £4 each, £37.10s per ten, £365 per hundred, and £3,500 per thousand. that was between 1964 and 1966.

50000
3.5
14285.71

So, it might even have 14,286 if I round up like a true mathematician.

Disclosure: I used to make about 2/- each on them (10p).

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I actually did a rarity vs value chart for the coin news in one of my articles, apart from the obvious candidates mentioned above, there is still quite a bit of value to be had in low mintage Geo V sovereigns.

If you can't go for a 1917 London then get the 1916L

All the Canadian sovereigns are worth a punt, low mintages makes them great value (obviously except the 1916C)

1919-1931 Aussie sovereigns avoiding the ultra expensive years provide good value, such as 19M / 23M / 24M / 26M / 30M / 31M / 25P ..... 31P

Although not prolific these have all been going up in value steadily, go for the very best EF-UNC

My favorite sovereigns are the Vicky shields, and although many years can easily be found putting together a set of EF-UNC is very very difficult, and getting more so. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

All the Canadian sovereigns are worth a punt, low mintages makes them great value (obviously except the 1916C)

 

the rumour is that many of the canadian mint sovereigns are not as rare as was initially thought.

ss has a thread on it in the premium lounge.

 

HH

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On 23/07/2021 at 19:48, fethiye2003 said:

What would your choice of coins be ?

For investment purposes.

 

This was my first ever post on here.

Appreciate all your comments.

Im learning very quickly. 👀

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On 23/07/2021 at 21:21, dicker said:

Superb topic.

Some people might chose proofs but I would go for the “honest” bullion Issues.

(1) High grade 1859 Ansell

(2) High grade Type 1 Sydney Sovereign 1855

(3) 1857 Sovereign with an error that I think is unknown - and is probably ultra rare 

That is probably more than 50k but is my fantasy list   

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Dicker

Nice choices. What would you class as a high grade 1855 and 1859?

Looking for 1965, 1981 and 1983-1984 GOLD Ghanaian coins

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1 minute ago, dicker said:

For me, anything above MS63…

But as ever with grades, I would have to buy the coin not the grade.  Happily go for a lower grade coin if it had more eye appeal.  
 

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Dicker

TBH : I would grab any Ansell grading in the MS's they are like hens teeth in high grades, nearly all are VF in old money or AU?? in slabbers land.

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If we're talking purely "what would you do if someone gave you £50,000 to spend on numastics?" I'd be perfectly happy with spending £45,000 of it on coins and then paying £5,000 to get @LawrenceChard to personally drop them off up here in the true north; Blackpool - like Manchester - is in the midlands to me.

 

I would insist on him wearing a pirate hat and having a toy parrot on his shoulder, when making the delivery, though. Also, all the coins would have to be loose, 1oz silver coins in caps; no tube, no boxes.

 

Because why not do something eccentic? Also, I personally find the idea funny that someone would have to sit and cap that many loose coins for one delivery. I suspect that Lawrence would even do it himself!

The inferior man argues about his rights, while the superior man imposes duties upon himself.

He who has a why can bear almost any how.

Every act of beauty is a revolt against the modern world.

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4 hours ago, Lyrinn said:

If we're talking purely "what would you do if someone gave you £50,000 to spend on numastics?" I'd be perfectly happy with spending £45,000 of it on coins and then paying £5,000 to get @LawrenceChard to personally drop them off up here in the true north; Blackpool - like Manchester - is in the midlands to me.

 

I would insist on him wearing a pirate hat and having a toy parrot on his shoulder, when making the delivery, though. Also, all the coins would have to be loose, 1oz silver coins in caps; no tube, no boxes.

 

Because why not do something eccentic? Also, I personally find the idea funny that someone would have to sit and cap that many loose coins for one delivery. I suspect that Lawrence would even do it himself!

Wor man, I've been to Spittal before. It must be the only place in the UK with no off-license.

Got a very nice crab sandwich, too.

Sounds like a deal.

Can it be a dead parrot?

Just remembered, the crab sandwich was in Craster.

All we got in Spittal was a deep fried frozen pizza and chips.

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