Sovereign Problem

[GoldDiggerDave]

Just now, Stuntman said:

@GoldDiggerDave wants it, perhaps come to some arrangement with him?

It’s no probs just interested to see if it would get the same result under a different XRF machine.  
 

 

[VeracityM]

OMG - James Party Pooper - I intend to make clear with the Atkinson's screen shots - there is gold in it .... could be 100% pure could be a 'jewellers coin, could be not .... someone may wanna see 😄

[VeracityM]

2 minutes ago, Orpster said:

If you mean the fake, forum rules will prevent you auctioning that I'm afriad

Well the machine shows 97% gold - so not entirely 'fake' ??

[James32]

Just now, VeracityM said:

OMG - James Party Pooper - I intend to make clear with the Atkinson's screen shots - there is gold in it .... could be 100% pure could be a 'jewellers coin, could be not .... someone may wanna see 😄

OK I bid £9.99 did I won?

[Fenlander1]

2 minutes ago, VeracityM said:

James Party Pooper

Worked you out pretty quick

[Stuntman]

@VeracityM - given that @AdamDutton is sending you another sovereign, why not just scrap this coin for whatever it's worth and remove it from the gene pool (so to speak).  That would eliminate any future risk of it being passed off as something it's not.

[flyingveepixie]

Just now, Stuntman said:

@VeracityM - given that @AdamDutton is sending you another sovereign, why not just scrap this coin for whatever it's worth and remove it from the gene pool (so to speak).  That would eliminate any future risk of it being passed off as something it's not.

That's what I would do too..🤔

[Orpster]

 

Comparing this picture to another 1876S, no real alarm bells except the colour palette so a great spot and bump of intuition @VeracityM

Though the picture from Atkinsons is a bigger alarm

 

[Orpster]

2 minutes ago, VeracityM said:

Well the machine shows 97% gold - so not entirely 'fake' ??

It may well be 24ct gold plated though, rather than 24ct all the way through  

It really would be fascinating for Dave to have a crack at it

[VeracityM]

Anyone on here want to test it properly?

[SlowFrog]

I feel like scrapping it could be a wasted opportunity to learn more about spotting them so none of us make the same mistake (in terms of buying, or selling). I'd love for one of our most knowledgeable members to have it so they can first take pics and perhaps share any of the weird or noticeable things about it. Additional scans would also be good of course (and then scrap it afterwards).

[VeracityM]

1 minute ago, SlowFrog said:

I feel like scrapping it could be a wasted opportunity to learn more about spotting them so none of us make the same mistake (in terms of buying, or selling). I'd love for one of our most knowledgeable members to have it so they can first take pics and perhaps share any of the weird or noticeable things about it. Additional scans would also be good of course (and then scrap it afterwards).

That was my hope - I just want to recover my losses in this mini drama

[James32]

4 minutes ago, VeracityM said:

Anyone on here want to test it properly?

@GoldDiggerDave ? 

[VeracityM]

12 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

@VeracityM - given that @AdamDutton is sending you another sovereign, why not just scrap this coin for whatever it's worth and remove it from the gene pool (so to speak).  That would eliminate any future risk of it being passed off as something it's not.

This is also interesting - `I incurred losses with this (Multiple shipping, time not working - most of today, but worst of all my standing with Atkinsons), so I need to cover the 'injury to wallet' 😄

I'm curious as to what members think should happen to the coin - even Atkinsons are perplexed by it and genuinely couldn't tell if its pure or not - they offered 50% spot value as they will need to cut it and it'll be scrap then

They said it's weighing correctly too

Edited December 8, 2023 by VeracityM

[RiverbankSilver]

Could send it to an assay office. They would probably drill it though

[James32]

1 minute ago, VeracityM said:

This is also interesting - `I incurred losses with this (Multiple shipping, time not working - most of today, but worst of all my standing with Atkinsons), so I need to cover the 'injury to wallet' 😄

I'm curious as to what members think should happen to the coin - even Atkinsons are perplexed by it and genuinely couldn't tell if its pure or not - they offered 50% spot value as they will need to cut it and it'll be scrap then

Ultimately if fake but real gold it should be scrapped anyway, just cut the thing in half and then if gold throughout..scrap yourself. 

 

[VeracityM]

2 minutes ago, James32 said:

Ultimately if fake but real gold it should be scrapped anyway, just cut the thing in half and then if gold throughout..scrap yourself. 

 

FFS James - that'll break my embroidery scissors surely?

[flyingveepixie]

Just now, VeracityM said:

FFS James - that'll break my embroidery scissors surely?

I can lend you a knife and fork if you want...

[VeracityM]

Just now, flyingveepixie said:

I can lend you a knife and fork if you want...

Not the Christmas knives and Forks Pixie! 😳😳 😳

[James32]

1 minute ago, VeracityM said:

FFS James - that'll break my embroidery scissors surely?

Head to local B&Q ( OTHER DIY OUTLETS AVAILABLE) and use their brand new bolt cutters 😆 🤣 

[VeracityM]

3 minutes ago, James32 said:

Head to local B&Q ( OTHER DIY OUTLETS AVAILABLE) and use their brand new bolt cutters 😆 🤣 

OK, but I'm not paying for them - incurring further expense - I will just go in make use of their equipment and post follow up pic  🙂 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by VeracityM

[Belmont]

I`d do a quick water gravity test. The density would possibly tell what alloy it could be. XRF in most cases can see through only a few micrometers. If the sample isn`t homogenous, like coated, then it would lead to false results.

[VeracityM]

3 minutes ago, James32 said:

Head to local B&Q ( OTHER DIY OUTLETS AVAILABLE) and use their brand new bolt cutters 😆 🤣 

Then I'll auction the two halves???

[James32]

Just now, VeracityM said:

OK, but I'm not paying for them - incurring further expense - I will just go in make use of their equipment and post follow up pic  🙂 

That's what I meant 😆 

Also do a specific gravity test before cutting.. @BackyardBullion has a great video on YouTube. Then you will be semi sure of its gold content before the trip to B &Q

[Fenlander1]

@James32will do it the old way.