Sovereign Problem

[James32]

1 minute ago, VeracityM said:

Then I'll auction the two halves???

Chards and specifically @LawrenceChard would give s definitive outcome, I mean as to fake sovereign or not. But only foolproof way to check if solid gold is to look inside. 

[Roy]

Can we just give a moment to give @AdamDutton a big thumbs up?

Seems like the chap did the right thing. Mistakes happen, it's how you deal with them that counts.

👍

[AdamDutton]

28 minutes ago, SlowFrog said:

Yep, would be great if a trusted member like Dave can get it, I'd love to know his opinion after taking a closer look!

I'd rather someone has a second opinion either way if it happens to be genuine I'm a man of my word 

[Sovhead]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

Can we just give a moment to give @AdamDutton a big thumbs up?

Seems like the chap did the right thing. Mistakes happen, it's how you deal with them that counts.

👍

Absolutely 👏👏

[VeracityM]

1 minute ago, AdamDutton said:

I'd rather someone has a second opinion either way if it happens to be genuine I'm a man of my word 

If it turns out to be pure Adam, we each auction half 😉 

[pricha]

Send it to Chards .  If it is a fake keep it for reference . It is good you had suspicions in the first place.  

[AdamDutton]

4 minutes ago, VeracityM said:

If it turns out to be pure Adam, we each auction half 😉 

Hahahab

[Upsidedown]

6 minutes ago, Roy said:

Can we just give a moment to give @AdamDutton a big thumbs up?

Seems like the chap did the right thing. Mistakes happen, it's how you deal with them that counts.

👍

Absolutely, I'm actually more likely to deal with him now I've seen him rectify an issue.

[Upsidedown]

12 minutes ago, James32 said:

Chards and specifically @LawrenceChard would give s definitive outcome, I mean as to fake sovereign or not. But only foolproof way to check if solid gold is to look inside. 

I'm sure he could sort out free postage 😁

[Sovhead]

33 minutes ago, Orpster said:

 

Comparing this picture to another 1876S, no real alarm bells except the colour palette so a great spot and bump of intuition @VeracityM

Though the picture from Atkinsons is a bigger alarm

 

There are quite a few subtle differences upon real close inspection, the mint mark for Sydney is twisted and in a different position and the very bottom of the neck line is shaped differently.

[pricha]

This is the reason everyone should have at least 100 sovereigns of each monarch . So coins can be compared against each other.  

[VeracityM]

Just now, pricha said:

This is the reason everyone should have at least 100 sovereigns of each monarch . So coins can be compared against each other.  

Listen up Linda - I haven't even got one sovereign of each monarch of the last century 🤪

[pricha]

Just now, Sovhead said:

There are quite a few subtle differences upon real close inspection, the mint mark for Sydney is twisted and in a different position and the very bottom of the neck line is shaped differently.

The "Made in China" on the reverse gives it away too .

[Sovhead]

38 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

@VeracityM - given that @AdamDutton is sending you another sovereign, why not just scrap this coin for whatever it's worth and remove it from the gene pool (so to speak).  That would eliminate any future risk of it being passed off as something it's not.

The coin is being replaced the original coin is nigh on testing as solid gold and should be returned to Adam it’s his to melt down.

[Sovhead]

The test Atkinson’s did shows gold, SILVER and copper.

Did they use silver in the late 19th century when they made Sovereigns ?

We know they definitely used copper we’ve all seen them with copper spots.

[pricha]

I had something similar years ago . With hindsight it was terrible fake , i sent it to Chards who confirmed it was a counterfeit , but the gold content was higher than a sovereign  and they offered me a good price for it. That is one collection i'd love to see. Chads collection of fakes. 

[Booky586]

5 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

The test Atkinson’s did shows gold, SILVER and copper.

Did they use silver in the late 19th century when they made Sovereigns ?

We know they definitely used copper we’ve all seen them with copper spots.

Laurence Chard started a post with lots of info about sovereign metal content:

 

 

[SlowFrog]

The mint mark isn't really twisted, it was just the rotation and perspective differences between the two photographs. It's a shame that the 'questionable coin' doesn't have a pic directly from above because they could then be aligned better. However, it does look like it's a smaller 'S' mint mark but that isn't too odd as far as I understand? Atkinson's photo from a narrow angle was the most concerning from my perspective, otherwise I think this would probably have fooled me if I am completely honest. That's why I feel we should try to learn from it if it is a fake, and if not, then it'd be good to know that too. Could it just be a genuine anomaly? I'd love Mr. Chard's opinion on this one!

Edited December 8, 2023 by SlowFrog

[Sovhead]

2 minutes ago, SlowFrog said:

The mint mark isn't really twisted, it was just the rotation and perspective differences between the two photographs. It's a shame that the 'questionable coin' doesn't have a pic directly from above because they could then be aligned better. However, it does look like it's a smaller 'S' mint mark but that isn't too odd as far as I understand? Atkinson's photo from a narrow angle was the most concerning from my perspective, otherwise I think this would probably have fooled me if I am completely honest. That's why I feel we should try to learn from it if it is a fake, and if not, then it'd be good to know that too. Could it just be a genuine anomaly? I'd love Mr. Chard's opinion on this one!

I disagree.

The S is far closer to the neckline in one of them than the other, 

[AdamDutton]

23 minutes ago, Upsidedown said:

I'm sure he could sort out free postage 😁

I might have to chip in for that 

[SlowFrog]

1 minute ago, Sovhead said:

I disagree.

The S is far closer to the neckline in one of them than the other, 

Not sure what you're disagreeing with. I'm just saying the S isn't rotated differently as was mentioned earlier in thread. I absolutely agree that it's closer to the neckline, though! But do also look at the perspective of the suspect coin, it's clearly been taken at a bit of an angle which is why I've said it'd be great to get someone that knows what they're doing take really good (and fair) comparison photographs.

[Sovhead]

Just now, SlowFrog said:

Not sure what you're disagreeing with. I'm just saying the S isn't rotated differently as was mentioned earlier in thread. I absolutely agree that it's closer to the neckline, though! But do also look at the perspective of the suspect coin, it's clearly been taken at a bit of an angle which is why I've said it'd be great to get someone that knows what they're doing take really good (and fair) comparison photographs.

Agree with your rotation comment mate, the distance from the neckline I have problems with.

[AdamDutton]

Is it possible that sovereign has more gold in ?

[SlowFrog]

So, in the reference photo we're looking at as a genuine sov, the s is super close to the neckline. In the suspect coin, it's a little further away. Now check this one via BBP - hahaha. I have no idea what to make of any of it at this point. Full link for reference:

https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-sovereign-specific-year/victoria-young-head-1871-1887/1876-gold-sovereign-victoria-young-head-s/

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by SlowFrog

[James32]

3 minutes ago, AdamDutton said:

Is it possible that sovereign has more gold in ?

Usually a massive red flag tbh, may half a percent..sure, but not as high as 97%

Edited December 8, 2023 by James32