Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

6 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

The C Is exactly the same in the 2 coins and all the 1860’s that are for sale on eBay look the same.

Where and when did Spink declare “extremely rare” and for what reason?

To be honest quite some of these varieties are "extremely rare" but the difference is insignificant. You could have many this over that but an O over C is not the same as FID DEE or an M over W, even if their populations are similar. 

Bit like dealers calling their graded coins R7 whereas it's just a common type at a higher grade...

Edited November 11, 2023 by SeverinDigsSovereigns

[Sovhead]

2 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

To be honest quite some of these varieties are "extremely rare" but the difference is insignificant. You could have many this over that but an O over C is not the same as FID DEE or an M over W, even if their populations are similar. 

Bit like dealers calling their graded coins R7 whereas it's just a common type at a higher grade...

But you earlier stated you could see a difference, there is no difference an O over a C would mean a closed loop none of them have that even in “negative” 

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

5 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

But you earlier stated you could see a difference, there is no difference an O over a C would mean a closed loop none of them have that even in “negative” 

Ahh you must mean closed C in VICT-. It's actually the O in -TORIA that has a bit sticking out on the top right.

What you expected as "closed loop" that'll be a "C over an O"

Edited November 11, 2023 by SeverinDigsSovereigns
Added pic

[Brit2023]

O

[Sovhead]

20 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

Ahh you must mean closed C in VICT-. It's actually the O in -TORIA that has a bit sticking out on the top right.

What you expected as "closed loop" that'll be a "C over an O"

No you’ve totally got that wrong.

it’s O over C

the C in Victoria is supposed to have an O over C it’s nothing to do with the O in Victoria 

[Sovhead]

You know what that’s a whole load a shi* tbh 

that O Isn’t a C and Spink are full a s****.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Sovhead

[Sovhead]

We’re all Gonny die of Covid….. Spink hold my pint there’s an O Over a C load of absolute dung.

Marsh….there were a lot more Canadian Sovs another load a dung.

[Sovhead]

Here Dave am I cracking open that NGC 1860 for you to fancy it up from a 61 to maybe a 67?

Edited November 12, 2023 by Sovhead
Typo

[James32]

Hahahaha Hahahaha keep er lit

[Sovhead]

3 minutes ago, James32 said:

Hahahaha Hahahaha keep er lit

😬😎

[jultorsk]

Here's the "original" C over O (which actually may be a die-crack)...

https://www.drakesterling.com/1879-sydney-c-over-o-shield-reverse-sovereign

Edited November 12, 2023 by jultorsk

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

He's taken too many emergency communications I see...

[Britannia47]

Forget the ‘C’ in Victoria - it’s all about the ‘O’ .The description of ‘O over C’ is misleading, Initially a ‘C’ has been accidentally been stamped where the ‘O’ should go. Thus an ‘O’ has been stamped over the top to rectify that, leaving the  small knobbly bit which belongs to the ‘C’ underneath. Simple really!! 😁

[Allgoldcoins]

12 hours ago, Sovhead said:

 

My coin is exactly the same….

Your coin has no bulge on the letter 'O' others have now highlighted this.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Allgoldcoins

[Booky586]

A few little oddities on this one - A in VICTORIA, D in DEI and last 1 in 1861

 

[KurtCollects]

Hi everyone, 

new to the forum, was wondering about the date strike on this full sov?

Thanks,

[Brit2023]

Dafternoon everyone,

To those in the know is this a worn Sydney?

 

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

51 minutes ago, Brit2023 said:

Dafternoon everyone,

To those in the know is this a worn Sydney?

 

Yes that's an s

[Brit2023]

Thanks it’s bit worn

1 hour ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

Yes that's an s

One for fleabay👍🏽

[GoldDiggerDave]

3 hours ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

Yes that's an s

I concur! 

[Thomast]

Anyone have any ideas what’s going on with this 1992 proof sovereign?

would it be an unfrosted die or stuck-thru

[jultorsk]

Intriguing colon on an Aussie Sov. 

 

[Orpster]

I had what was likely my best ever variety coin yesterday, the absolute find of my collecting lifetime. 
Bought pretty much sight unseen because of the fact it was graded and a Melbourne shield which I have a mild obsession with, all I had was a blurry picture of the obverse.  This is the coin

I had only seen a picture of the front prior to delivery but had checked the PCGS entry so had already spotted the die clash, so when it turned up and had both a clashed die error and medallic die alignment I was super excited.  Turns out it is one of only 5 or 6 known examples, it is in Marsh as an R3 (~59B) but research suggests it even rarer with only a handful of known examples

Here is a closer pic of the front so you can see the die clash

The twin of the one in the Drake Sterling article.  I can also see this coin has been through auction at least once without being spotted

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-ZOUVL/australia-sovereign-1872-m-melbourne-mint-victoria-pcgs-au-55?fbclid=IwAR0ifmex9-fztDPLRW4ZLGvZj8Mfs0yiTqJWmqnZVpzzkw2Z0SADUoXn7ts

And who knows how many other pairs of hands.  I am a lucky lucky chap

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Orpster

[dicker]

7 hours ago, Orpster said:

I had what was likely my best ever variety coin yesterday, the absolute find of my collecting lifetime. 
Bought pretty much sight unseen because of the fact it was graded and a Melbourne shield which I have a mild obsession with, all I had was a blurry picture of the obverse.  This is the coin

I had only seen a picture of the front prior to delivery but had checked the PCGS entry so had already spotted the die clash, so when it turned up and had both a clashed die error and medallic die alignment I was super excited.  Turns out it is one of only 5 or 6 known examples, it is in Marsh as an R3 (~59B) but research suggests it is even rarer.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-ZOUVL/australia-sovereign-1872-m-melbourne-mint-victoria-pcgs-au-55?fbclid=IwAR0ifmex9-fztDPLRW4ZLGvZj8Mfs0yiTqJWmqnZVpzzkw2Z0SADUoXn7ts

Here is a closer pic of the front so you can see the die clash

The twin of the one in the Drake Sterling article.  I can also see this coin has been through auction at least once without being spotted

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-ZOUVL/australia-sovereign-1872-m-melbourne-mint-victoria-pcgs-au-55?fbclid=IwAR0ifmex9-fztDPLRW4ZLGvZj8Mfs0yiTqJWmqnZVpzzkw2Z0SADUoXn7ts

And who knows how many other pairs of hands.  I am a lucky lucky chap

 

 

Take a look at this from @drakesterling

https://www.drakesterling.com/news/post/pcgs-graded-sovereign-from-1872-m-with-medallic-die-alignment

[Orpster]

20 minutes ago, dicker said:

Take a look at this from @drakesterling

https://www.drakesterling.com/news/post/pcgs-graded-sovereign-from-1872-m-with-medallic-die-alignment

Cheers dude, I meant to link this article in my post but like the fat fingered oaf I am I out the auction link in twice