Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[Midasfrog]

1 hour ago, Sovhead said:

In that condition?

 

Don't forget age is taken into account when grading it's 165 years old now 👍

[Sovhead]

18 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

Don't forget age is taken into account when grading it's 165 years old now 👍

That’s another thing I’ve learned since joining mate, I never knew age played a part in grading.

Btw the pic I put up is terrible it’s a lot nicer in real life, don’t know what it would grade with NGC but I’d put it as nearer a VF than a F.

[Sovhead]

21 minutes ago, Midasfrog said:

Don't forget age is taken into account when grading it's 165 years old now 👍

It’s a weird coin.

Unbarred A’s but there are versions with that and a small date and there are others with a broken 5 in the date and it looks like a 3…..mine has all 3 lol 😂 

[Midasfrog]

2 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

It’s a weird coin.

Unbarred A’s but there are versions with that and a small date and there are others with a broken 5 in the date and it looks like a 3…..mine has all 3 lol 😂 

List it on Ebay with a low start you might become a rich man or the buyer says the box was empty when received 

[Sovhead]

1 minute ago, Midasfrog said:

List it on Ebay with a low start you might become a rich man or the buyer says the box was empty when received 

I bought it on eBay 11/21 for £449 knowing it had a low mintage.

Theres a few in completed listings right now that have it at £550-£650 

[GoldDiggerDave]

11 hours ago, Sovhead said:

In that condition?

 

Why not with this type of coin the interest is in the pedigree, of course the higher the grade the more desirable,  I’ve bought some coins this week just on the back of the error pedigree. 

[Spyder]

10 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

Don't forget age is taken into account when grading it's 165 years old now 👍

I am not sure about this. A grade is base on condition of coin and not year as far as I am aware. What do you think @GoldDiggerDave

[shawy2510]

I have this coin due to go for grading with a lamination error

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

18 minutes ago, shawy2510 said:

I have this coin due to go for grading with a lamination error

 

That’s an impressive delamination! For it to be folded over the legend like that it’s got to have happened post striking, could it be vandalism looks like a lot of tooling. Would be interesting to see what the take is on this coin……love to see these oddities. 

[dicker]

43 minutes ago, shawy2510 said:

I have this coin due to go for grading with a lamination error

 

Very nice example of a lamination error.

[Sovhead]

4 hours ago, shawy2510 said:

I have this coin due to go for grading with a lamination error

 

I think that’ll come back as damaged tbh.

[jultorsk]

My only lamination error Sov (MS62 NGC):

 

[1853DEE]

Hi All, I recently discovered an 1853 variety in my collection, it is the 1853 F over E reads DEE variety, I had it graded by NGC as AU55. can anyone tell me some information about how many are known to exist or a potential value? any replies will be much appreciated, thanks.

[Sovhead]

On 15/08/2023 at 06:29, 1853DEE said:

Hi All, I recently discovered an 1853 variety in my collection, it is the 1853 F over E reads DEE variety, I had it graded by NGC as AU55. can anyone tell me some information about how many are known to exist or a potential value? any replies will be much appreciated, thanks.

Marsh(36C)has that at £1750 in VF condition can’t be many of them around.

It’s a cracker.

[1853DEE]

Thanks Sovhead for your reply, i cant find much info about them other than what is in the Marsh book or on Google, which is not a lot

[Sovhead]

4 minutes ago, 1853DEE said:

Thanks Sovhead for your reply, i cant find much info about them other than what is in the Marsh book or on Google, which is not a lot

Did NGC comment on the variety when it got slabbed?

[1853DEE]

No they didn't, i subsequently found out that you have to pay them for them to do it, which i wasn't aware of at the time

[dicker]

3 hours ago, 1853DEE said:

Thanks Sovhead for your reply, i cant find much info about them other than what is in the Marsh book or on Google, which is not a lot

The 1853 had all sorts of problems and errors - many still not in Marsh, and there are others with errors in DEF.  Amazing really, but this was a time of poor quality at the mint.  

[1853DEE]

Hi Dicker

Many thanks for your reply, I tried to find out how many of this variety would have been produced seeing as though they had to strike the F over the E, why wouldn't they have melted them down and re-make them? or perhaps there were only very few so they re-struck them. I was wondering if they ever kept a record of quantities or if it will forever be a mystery? i can't even find out how many have been found since the first one came to light in 2007 Spinks auction.

Any info would be much appreciated

[GoldDiggerDave]

4 hours ago, 1853DEE said:

No they didn't, i subsequently found out that you have to pay them for them to do it, which i wasn't aware of at the time

I would get it re submitted with the pedigree. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

@1853DEE There's lots of reference books  out there, what reference books are you currently using?  

[1853DEE]

Hi Dave 

Thanks for your reply, i only have the Gold Sovereign Series book at present, please suggest some if they have more info on my particular variety 

Does it make a massive difference to have the variety printed on the slab? It is my first and so far only graded coin as to my knowledge it is my rarest, i have some other rare coins but all R's not R3's

Any advice would be much appreciated

[Booky586]

Having done some scouring around for information there's little out there. There are no entries for it in "The Gold Sovereign" or Spink "Coins of England and the UK". I've searched for previous sales at "The Coin Cabinet" and "London Coins" and can't find any record of this error passing through there either. NGC and PCGS don't have any entries that I can find in their databases. The Bentley Collection Auction had one for sale which sold for £920, over 10 years ago:

On the All Gold Coins website it states: "Value wise I would expect the 'DEE' sovereign to be a minimum of £1000 in anything above Fine with £2000 more likely for a nice strong VF, and very rare with few examples known."

https://www.allgoldcoins.co.uk/pages/18-the-queen-victoria-shield-reverse-sovereign-1850-59

You've got a very desirable coin and seemingly very rare.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Booky586

[dicker]

So I have seen one for sale previously. But only one.  

There will not be any official numbers - because they were accidents.  But it is relatively rare coin. 

Having said that, there are a number of errors that are not in Marsh, are spectacular and very rare.   

[GoldDiggerDave]

30 minutes ago, 1853DEE said:

Hi Dave 

Thanks for your reply, i only have the Gold Sovereign Series book at present, please suggest some if they have more info on my particular variety 

Does it make a massive difference to have the variety printed on the slab? It is my first and so far only graded coin as to my knowledge it is my rarest, i have some other rare coins but all R's not R3's

Any advice would be much appreciated

With a coin like this the variety is what makes the coin desirable, the issue you sometimes can get the NGC or other grading companies will not always automatically apply the attribution.  When submitting coins like this I put on their own submission and include all relevant information to give it the best chance to get the attribution  applied.