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52 minutes ago, whuamai said:

WOW thats a nice date set. On the first look the coin at the position of the 1905 looked like a 1903 but by enlarging it I could recognize it's a 5.

I also have a few but didn't set myself the goal to complete them. Might do that some day, but only until 1907

 

How about starting a date set of the 10 Francs Rooster now that you have the 20's complete  ?

Hi, I know what you mean about the 1905..I had ‘a moment’  when organising the coins as it did look like a 1903, rest assured it is not..

If anyone is interested in coin photography, I picked a nice little piece of kit up last week for less than £30..(Amazon)  not Leica quality, but works well enough for me.

No more roosters for a while...I need to track down lots of angels first.

I thought I would go out for a long run this morning! 😂 

Now that’s my kind of exercise..

I just love this thread...that is another amazing coin I have never seen before....all going well, I should receive another LMU Coin this week..come on colisimo,!!!1879 Barred anchor angel on its way...

@whuamai you’re showing off now....but I like it! You are starting to remind me of @augur 😂 

Now that is a beautiful coin..

@whuamai Hi watched the video and all makes good sense..My first offer was not 5%, it was 10%..which is usually accepted. Why anyone would use ‘Make an offer’ and not accept 95% of asking price defeats me..as a result of this I will NEVER buy from this seller so he/she loses out twice..plenty of other sellers out there! You only get one chance to make a first impression, and this seller blew it!

Point 4 on the video I have used a few times..I.e. contacting the seller via email...it took me ages to defeat the eBay algorithm software to get my email address through!

The problem with going outside eBay is you lose all security and insurance should things go wrong..at the end of the day, I don’t mind paying them for the service they provide..and on small amounts I would rather avoid the extra hassle.

I think I will just ask @Goldhooked to do all my shopping for me at 3% above spot in future..plus a beer commission of course!

I think I may have looked at it, If was on at £199!.A few at the same price from the same seller!

Tried to buy a 20 francs coin of a dealer in Israel (Ebay) this week...he was open to offers, so I offered 5% below asking price and he refused!! Some people!! Anyway, I’m still playing with my Gruffalos...!

That’s not a run 🏃‍♀️..it’s a step!...but a step in the right direction!

Looks like a nice coin bought at a price I have never managed to buy at...you been to HGM?

Pamp Silver Kilo Bar No10 arrived yesterday, many thanks to @MickD for that one.

I have decided that 10 is my limit. A bit like drinking beer 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 🍺 ..after a long while, the law of diminishing returns kicks in and you have had enough. Plus, I value my marriage, and I’m no Croesus! 😂 

Thank you to forum members @augur and @StackSellRepeat who have also contributed two great bars to my collection, and how could I not mention @JunkBond who has been a legend at finding these for me.

Having just watched an amazing flypast over my house (75th Anniversary of Mi Amigo, Sheffield) it’s a good time to say farewell to Pamp bar collecting. No doubt something new will attract my attention in the near future!

Adios, y muchas gracias.

9 minutes ago, eddi said:

Not the best pic

Thanks for that..PM to follow..

11 minutes ago, Goldhooked said:

I'll buy them both for spot +2%  

You can trott off! I will pay +5%🤑🤑🤑

Anyway..who says @eddi wants to sell them !😃

22 minutes ago, whuamai said:

Patience pays! A complete collection is boring, to have a goal to achieve is more fun. Within a period of a few years it should be possible to find many nice coins close to spot..also Angels...

I couldn’t agree more about ‘A complete collection is boring’..it’s all about the journey, and not just arriving at the destination,

29 minutes ago, Goldhooked said:

Id happily pay 2 or 3% premium all day long but I’m not finding them for that.  I thought I was lucky to get my first one for roughly 5% premium.

The cheapest ones on eBay at the moment are around 10% over spot.

Hi @Goldhooked I think when I mentioned the 2-3% premium, I was referring to people shopping around and buying all sorts of coins  in general, from less reliable sources than a main dealer...and not on getting these beautiful coins a little over spot. Hope that makes sense!

Finally, my last educational contribution to the thread for a while!....

HOW DEALERS HAVE CHANGED TACT RECENTLY....not to our advantage!

This exemplifies it perfectly...

Two 20 Francs Angels were minted - 1848 and 1849. The next wasnt until 1871!

In August 2018, I was able to call BBP, get them to have a sort through their stock, and then purchase what dates I wanted without paying a premium above their listed price. Their customer service I have always found to be brilliant, but this often comes at a price!

So, six months ago I bought my 1849 from them for £220 including postage. A coin in pretty good condition...

Wind the clock forward to today..they now sell a lot of their angels by date and charge accordingly.

No idea who came up with this price,as it’s crazy, but look at the 1848 that they currently have for sale...(note: the mintage for the 1848 is higher than my 1849)

Don’t think I will be buying this one any time soon..

On top of this, they are getting harder to source as @ilovesilverireallydo mentioned earlier. Six moths ago I could have bought several from Chards, today they have none for sale- even at 25% above spot they have sold out!

Perhaps they are all in Germany 🇩🇪 !@eddi

Just worth here clarifying the two different engraver marks I mentioned above..one is so slight you can hardly notice.(Anchor vs Barred Anchor)

1896..Axe vs Torch

Angels I am missing:- 1848 (see separate post later today), 1871,1879(both types),1887,1889,1892,1894 & 1896(Torch).

I could go online and buy most of them today, but I would be absolutely taken to the cleaners price wise.

If anyone does spot one of these on their travels, please feel free to send me some photos..it’s then the tricky task of weighing up price vs quality.

2 hours ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Angels are getting harder to source at reasonable premiums. 

You can say that again! Just done some maths and the angels I have to date have cost me about 11% over current spot.Its only the high current spot that keeps this premium so low, which suggests most of my purchases at the time would have been spot +15-20%.

That said, most of the angels I possess are better than bullion grade, and would command a premium if I were to ever sell them privately. My figure also includes the purchase of a very rare (and even more expensive) 1888.

To compound my misery..I am trying to collect a date run so can’t just buy at random, plus..dealers are more sophisticated now and realise that different dates have different mintages and charge accordingly.

By my reconning there are 23 different 20 francs angels to collect, and so far I have 14..a long hard road ahead me thinks.

(23 includes some years which have two different engraver marks within the same year - 1879 & 1896).

Its a good job I like a challenge!

Hello @whuamai

Welcome to this thread..we are a quite civilised and friendly group of people!

20 Francs Coins are easy to sell, as they are 90% gold like most other coins used in circulation.

Sovereigns will always carry a small premium, as they are more widely collected.

For me the odd 2 or 3% is irrelevant in what I collect, and I really don’t know why so many people obsess about it. If you get 2% less on £10000 it’s only £200..not a big deal! 

Personally, I collect the 20 francs coins because I find them more interesting than sovereigns..the financial side of things is less important, as I don’t believe I will ever sell my collection.

It sounds like Germany is a good place to collect the LMU coins..I have never bought one at spot!

Just found a little light reading which relates to LMU 20 francs coins.

https://goldadvert.com/knowledgebase/en/20-francs-of-the-angel-series-1871-1898/

The ones from the past look so much nicer don’t you think!

1995

1996..

1997..

The one below is the 2017 Pand Privy..look like all the mint have done is alternate body and leg colours. Lazy buggers!