NEW St. George and the Dragon coin with Garter inscription

[Britannia47]

15 hours ago, Allgoldcoins said:

What would B.P say about the Mints works today, what have they done to his masterpeice over time?

George on the left is how B.P intended him to look, on the right is how he looks on the 2024 sovereign, I reckon if he was still alive he woud probably sue.

That may not be a fair comparison, as Pistrucci never put a streamer on the helmet of the improved sovereign. Close up photos like this can show all sorts of variations, but in hand are not very noticeable. Here’s a 200 year comparison using my 1824 Sovereign GIV. 1821 was the first iconic design with sword in hand, not the 1817 prototype which did have a streamer, as did the Silver Crown. Having said that, the right side image does look a bit weird!🙂

 

Edited February 23 by Britannia47

[Steve66]

3 minutes ago, Britannia47 said:

That may not be a fair comparison, as Pistrucci never put a streamer on the helmet of the improved sovereign. Close up photos like this can show all sorts of variations, but in hand are not very noticeable. Here’s a 200 year comparison using my 1824 Sovereign GIV. 1821 was the first iconic design with sword in hand, not the 1817 prototype which did have a streamer, as did the Silver Crown.

 

Good point never noticed this 

[Britannia47]

One last photo (Don’t want to go too off topic!)

This time a comparison using the original 1817 G&D with its smaller image confined within the garter and the RMs rehashed 2017 job. Yes, I’ve got a couple of these, but don’t like the fact that the RM failed to recognise the role of WWP by leaving his initials off the belt buckle. Without this partnership this first sovereign may not have happened IMO .

Also, nice image of the G&D on the old £5 note…..
 

[westminstrel]

5 hours ago, tpcob303 said:

I think a Guinness might be a better option to buy than the long wait. Imagine all those milk spots that will start to appear in the tike it takes for them to arrive, I'm pretty much expecting milk spots on both of my 2oz silver GE including the one that is going direct to the graders from the mint AM. 

Post above was referring to this quote. 

In all fairness, the last time I had milk spotting issues was with the silver Queen’s Beasts and got it exchanged by the RM. *knocks on wood*

Do you think it might be the storage environment?

[Petra]

18 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

In all fairness, the last time I had milk spotting issues was with the silver Queen’s Beasts and got it exchanged by the RM. *knocks on wood*

Do you think it might be the storage environment?

You get milk spots on silver from all the mints. It’s a result of the manufacturing process of the planchettes

[westminstrel]

55 minutes ago, Petra said:

You get milk spots on silver from all the mints. It’s a result of the manufacturing process of the planchettes

I think the problem with the RM had been that new silver Proofs - supposed to have been Quality Checked - have had milk spots.

[GoldDiggerDave]

7 hours ago, Britannia47 said:

One last photo (Don’t want to go too off topic!)

This time a comparison using the original 1817 G&D with its smaller image confined within the garter and the RMs rehashed 2017 job. Yes, I’ve got a couple of these, but don’t like the fact that the RM failed to recognise the role of WWP by leaving his initials off the belt buckle. Without this partnership this first sovereign may not have happened IMO .

Also, nice image of the G&D on the old £5 note…..
 

WWP appears on a few more coins of that era, this is not a bad read 

https://www.wickedwilliam.com/tag/sir-joseph-banks/

"Wellesley-Pole was delighted to discover ‘I am empowered to place such private mark as I choose [on all coin], and I have chosen my initials…WWP’. The press accused him of ‘smuggling his initials’ onto the new sovereign and they were quick to publish his reply: ‘I shall be impeached for putting my initials on the coin of the realm, as Cardinal Wolsey was for placing a cardinal’s hat on the coin of Henry VIII!’  Such was the level of vitriol probably originating from jealous and resentful members of the Royal Academy that Wellesley-Pole was compelled to make a statement in the House of Commons setting the record straight. Pistrucci fared similarly when exercising his right to leave a mark on designs used in the new coins"

I've also found this etching which is very interesting...........As most of us would say this is  Benedetto Pistrucci's work........ All the Roman aka Italian artist were "ripping off"  other artist designs....this is by Pietro Bonato, who  copied it of Stefano Tofanelli who happen to be (Pistrucci teacher)  who intern ripped of Raphael work from the 1500's.      Pistrucci no doubt copied the design elements of the  dragon from his teacher  Tofanelli.

What is also interesting and I've never been able to find it in Pistrucci's work is his hidden cypher...... Pistrucci put this is in his designs, cameos, engravings as Tofanelli was passing young Pistrucci's work off as his own.......

 

 

 

 

[Steve66]

On 20/02/2024 at 16:01, sovtsf said:

Did the 2oz gold sell on the Britannia site that was listed for 9k? I can’t find it now 

Looks like it sold 

https://britanniacoincompany.com/buy-coins/gold-coins/2024-st-george-two-gold/

[Petra]

7 hours ago, westminstrel said:

I think the problem with the RM had been that new silver Proofs - supposed to have been Quality Checked - have had milk spots.

Unfortunately, that is an issue that continues to raise issues about the overall standards of the Royal Mints quality assurance 🤔😮

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, Petra said:

Unfortunately, that is an issue that continues to raise issues about the overall standards of the Royal Mints quality assurance 🤔😮

Yep. Exactly. It’s a QC issue as much as anything else.

[Thomast]

I wounded if this has increased in value, with this release 

only 2 in top grade so always hard to price 

[GoldDiggerDave]

52 minutes ago, Thomast said:

I wounded if this has increased in value, with this release 

only 2 in top grade so always hard to price 

Always liked these coins ! 

[paulmerton]

I do love a bit of coin on coin (or medal) action.

[slack]

55 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I do love a bit of coin on coin (or medal) action.

Ahh interesting pieces Paul thanks for sharing 

[Paul]

Anyone had their dispatched email for anything yet ? 

[Alz111]

19 minutes ago, Paul said:

Anyone had their dispatched email for anything yet ? 

They are despatching all orders from Monday that’s what I’ve been told from my AM. 

[cjbcomm]

32 minutes ago, Paul said:

Anyone had their dispatched email for anything yet ? 

I was told after 13th March for the gold

[Paul]

Just now, cjbcomm said:

I was told after 13th March for the gold

 

12 minutes ago, Alz111 said:

They are despatching all orders from Monday that’s what I’ve been told from my AM. 

Just keen to see some actual shots of the coin in hand 

[cjbcomm]

5 minutes ago, Paul said:

 

Just keen to see some actual shots of the coin in hand 

Likewise! Was told they are in ready for packaging. Maybe different dates for the silver? 

Sure those with coins on ebay will hope they're sent soon 🤪

[Paul]

3 minutes ago, cjbcomm said:

Sure those with coins on ebay will hope they're sent soon 

They need to sell first at their incentivised prices first.

Hopefully this release will be a nice gradual genuine appreciation £ increase for buyers / long term holders 

If flippers weren't so keen to flip, market will only ever goes one way when there's too much of something out their readily available for sale 

[Darr3nG]

3 minutes ago, Paul said:

If flippers weren't so keen to flip

[tpcob303]

1 minute ago, Darr3nG said:

Flip off the flippers who gonna flip with a flip. 

[Paul]

19 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

If you adopted one, Which one would you christen Dave @Darr3nG ?

( Asking for a friend )

[Steve66]

2 hours ago, Paul said:

Anyone had their dispatched email for anything yet ? ,

My account manager said I would receive my two and ten ounce at the end of this month 

[Petra]

About sums up this thread and these new coins …. do you have to have a RM account manager to be on this thread?🤔😮😂😂😂