I have a misaligned 2022 memorial sovereign issue

[Foster88]

It makes you wonder if this guy is running the minting process at the Royal Mint.

Joking aside, errors that are discovered are always interesting.

 

[dicker]

Hi @CazLikesCoins I have a Memorial coin and looking at it flipped, I can see what you mean. I might be wrong but I think there is a 5 - 7 degree misalignment.  

[paulmerton]

For the love of god, is nobody going to post a photo yet. My hooks are so tentered! 🤣

[dicker]

Hold on Paul! 

[dicker]

This is the best I can do after a bit of a boozy lunch.  

 

 

[paulmerton]

I'm unsure. I think that idea of putting it in a square flip for reference is a good one as it's hard to perceive small rotations from a video like that.

[dicker]

5 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I'm unsure. I think that idea of putting it in a square flip for reference is a good one as it's hard to perceive small rotations from a video like that.

Good idea. I’m in the dog house as we still have guests here.  Bear with me!

[paulmerton]

Just now, dicker said:

Good idea. I’m in the dog house as we still have guests here.  Bear with me!

It's okay, I can wait really 😄

[CazLikesCoins]

1 hour ago, dicker said:

Hi @CazLikesCoins I have a Memorial coin and looking at it flipped, I can see what you mean. I might be wrong but I think there is a 5 - 7 degree misalignment.  

Hello, yes it's rather odd isn't it? My partner spotted it before me and we wondered about returning them for some straight bullion sovereigns at the time but on the whole decided to keep them. As long as they're not made of chocolate I don't care if they're upside and back to front lol. They're off to secure storage after the weekend so that'll be the end of it really. Hopefully no one will quibble about them being wall eyed when we come to sell them  

 

[dicker]

As my mother would say:

One eye on the lampbulb, the on’t switch.

[Britannia47]

Just looked at both 2022 proof sovereigns and found no alignment issues, so we are talking about this being an affliction of the memorial bullion version? Photos show the coin in its original square holder on a flat surface each side. Looks OK to me.

I think it’s better to take alignment from the reverse initially where it’s easier to find a North/South axis, in this case the coat of arms, and then let the monarchs head take care of itself, because there are so few reference points available. I’ve often seen examples of NGC slabbed shield sovereigns seemingly a few degrees off because the monarchs head has been placed roughly in the upright position, which in turn affects the reverse. Nobody wants a wonky shield!

[SidS]

On 23/03/2023 at 16:06, CazLikesCoins said:

Here it is ...

It is slightly rotated.

[SidS]

16 hours ago, dicker said:

This is the best I can do after a bit of a boozy lunch.  

 

The best way to rotate medal alignment coins is to hold them on the edge, fingers at 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock, and spin it horizontally. That way you'll see very quickly whether it's a true misalignment or just a slight mis-rotation wobble when turning it over.

I regularly end up with the reverse upside-down because I have spent so long now collecting coin-alignment issues that I keep turning all my coins vertically!

Edited March 26, 2023 by SidS

[CazLikesCoins]

I think putting coins under bright lights and magnifying glasses, especially if they're proofs with huge premiums paid to be as perfect as possible is asking for a stress induced psychosis 😅Inevitably there's a flaw and the world comes crashing down. It might be nice to have a few sovs put away for pension day but it'll take years off your life 😅

[westminstrel]

I re-checked my 2022 Memorial Proof Sovereign and seem to have a rather obvious rotation on the obverse.

The gap between E and I in DEI is at the 12 o clock position.

I’m not sure how to photograph this.

[westminstrel]

Okay, so I found a square coin holder and placed the RM capsule inside it, aligning it to the corner so that it does not shift.

The obverse is indeed several degrees off.

@LawrenceChard@BackyardBullion Have you seen anything similar with any Sovs you’ve come across?

Edited March 30, 2023 by westminstrel

[dicker]

On 30/03/2023 at 04:44, westminstrel said:

Okay, so I found a square coin holder and placed the RM capsule inside it, aligning it to the corner so that it does not shift.

The obverse is indeed several degrees off.

@LawrenceChard@BackyardBullion Have you seen anything similar with any Sovs you’ve come across?

Exactly what I have seen and poorly demonstrated above.  

[GoldDiggerDave]

3 minutes ago, dicker said:

Exactly what I have seen and poorly demonstrated above.  

Hi Dicker, do you know how they aline the dies at the mint?   They use a pencil mark the line up the obverse and reverse dies.   You would think they would machine tool the dies in a way where it was impossible to insert the dies incorrectly.  

 

 

 

 

[paulmerton]

2 minutes ago, dicker said:

Exactly what I have seen and poorly demonstrated above.  

I thought it was a good enough demonstration!

It's certainly enough of a rotation to be recognised by NGC as a rotated dies mint error (more than 15 degrees).

[GoodAsGold]

On 30/03/2023 at 04:44, westminstrel said:

Okay, so I found a square coin holder and placed the RM capsule inside it, aligning it to the corner so that it does not shift.

The obverse is indeed several degrees off.

@LawrenceChard@BackyardBullion Have you seen anything similar with any Sovs you’ve come across?

Are you sure you don’t have 2 separate coins in separate square holders buddy?  It looks to me that, when you were looking for your camera, the King took the opportunity to grab a quick peek at the design on the reverse of the coin above him. He was fed up hearing it’s behind you!

[westminstrel]

13 minutes ago, GoodAsGold said:

Are you sure you don’t have 2 separate coins in separate square holders buddy?  It looks to me that, when you were looking for your camera, the King took the opportunity to grab a quick peek at the design on the reverse of the coin above him. He was fed up hearing it’s behind you!

Hahah! 😆

I will attempt the mirror method so that both the obverse and reverse are visible simultaneously.

[GoodAsGold]

1 hour ago, westminstrel said:

Hahah! 😆

I will attempt the mirror method so that both the obverse and reverse are visible simultaneously.

Seriously my friend, your eye for coins and proclamation details are second to none and your dedication to TSF is much to be admired. Whereas folk like me can just occasionally sneak in and out on the forum without anybody noticing, you cannot creep away without alerting the forum guard dogs. I’d say keep up the good work but I know you will. Cheers for now.

S

[westminstrel]

37 minutes ago, GoodAsGold said:

Seriously my friend, your eye for coins and proclamation details are second to none and your dedication to TSF is much to be admired. Whereas folk like me can just occasionally sneak in and out on the forum without anybody noticing, you cannot creep away without alerting the forum guard dogs. I’d say keep up the good work but I know you will. Cheers for now.

S

You are too kind my friend. That means a lot, and you should know you’re among the people on here who make it all worth my while. ☺️

[CazLikesCoins]

On 30/03/2023 at 04:44, westminstrel said:

Okay, so I found a square coin holder and placed the RM capsule inside it, aligning it to the corner so that it does not shift.

The obverse is indeed several degrees off.

@LawrenceChard@BackyardBullion Have you seen anything similar with any Sovs you’ve come across?

Wonky coin! That like mine! 😮

[dicker]

12 minutes ago, CazLikesCoins said:

Wonky coin! That like mine! 😮

And mine — are they ALL like that?!?