2023 Sovereign details (Gazette proclamations)

[SiCole]

BY THE KING A PROCLAMATION DETERMINING THE SPECIFICATIONS AND DESIGN FOR A NEW SERIES OF FIVE POUND, TWO POUND, SOVEREIGN, HALF-SOVEREIGN AND QUARTER-SOVEREIGN COINS IN GOLD CHARLES R. | Proclamations | The Gazette

Looks like the normal G&D design is back on the sovereign.

Edited March 17, 2023 by SiCole

[Zhorro]

14 minutes ago, SiCole said:

BY THE KING A PROCLAMATION DETERMINING THE SPECIFICATIONS AND DESIGN FOR A NEW SERIES OF FIVE POUND, TWO POUND, SOVEREIGN, HALF-SOVEREIGN AND QUARTER-SOVEREIGN COINS IN GOLD CHARLES R. | Proclamations | The Gazette

Looks like the normal G&D design is back on the sovereign.

This is great news for sovereign collectors.

[Paulo]

Apart from the price🙂

[JamesH]

This is exciting. Forgive the ‘beginner’ question but does this mean there is no additional coronation sovereign and it’s a standard 2023 or there could still be one of those also? Thanks and appreciate this may not be known yet 👍🏼

[Zhorro]

1 minute ago, JamesH said:

This is exciting. Forgive the ‘beginner’ question but does this mean there is no additional coronation sovereign and it’s a standard 2023 or there could still be one of those also? Thanks and appreciate this may not be known yet 👍🏼

I thought there was a special design for the coronation, so this "standard" one would be in addition to it !

[SiCole]

Everything coronation I have seen confirmed so far are 999.9 fine 1/4oz, 1oz etc and 50p’s but no details on sovereigns and I personally doubt there will be one 

[Zhorro]

On 11/02/2023 at 22:33, Solachesis said:

Hmmm

This post seems to imply there will be a special coronation sovereign - unless I am misunderstanding it.  

[Aran]

There will be a plain edge in addition to the usual milled edge. Apart from the strike on the day single sovereign which has had a plain edge in recent times, we have not had plain edges on 5 Sov down to Quarter Sov before (except as a pattern 2022 set). Could this be something new for this special year?

DESIGN OF THE COINS

6. The design of the said five pound, two pound, sovereign, half-sovereign and quarter-sovereign gold coins shall be as follows:

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · DEI · GRA · REX · FID · DEF” and for the reverse a depiction of St George armed, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a sword, and a broken spear upon the ground, and the date of the year. The coins shall have a grained or plain edge.’

[jultorsk]

"..a depiction of St George armed, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a sword, and a broken spear upon the ground, and the date of the year."

Technically this leaves it open for an alternative design like 2005 or 2012 imo, it's just not going to be a shield/Coat of Arms. 🤔

(2005 sov photo borrowed from @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer(who have the best images in the industry), the "broken spear" added by an unnamed artist.)

[westminstrel]

We’re still not out of the woods yet.

The two Proclamations leave open the option for the Coronation Sovereign, and any future Sovereigns during KC III’s reign, to be either the Coat of Arms or St. George and the Dragon.

Edit: And to be grained edge or plain edge.

Edited March 18, 2023 by westminstrel

[westminstrel]

7 hours ago, Aran said:

There will be a plain edge in addition to the usual milled edge. Apart from the strike on the day single sovereign which has had a plain edge in recent times, we have not had plain edges on 5 Sov down to Quarter Sov before (except as a pattern 2022 set). Could this be something new for this special year?

DESIGN OF THE COINS

6. The design of the said five pound, two pound, sovereign, half-sovereign and quarter-sovereign gold coins shall be as follows:

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · DEI · GRA · REX · FID · DEF” and for the reverse a depiction of St George armed, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a sword, and a broken spear upon the ground, and the date of the year. The coins shall have a grained or plain edge.’

In the 2022 Pattern Sovereign Set, all the Sovereign denominations were both plain edge and piedfort (double thickness).

So, yes, having plain edges on the regular thickness Sovereign denominations (other than the Sovereign itself) will be a first.

Also, there was never a Proclamation for the 2022 pattern piedfort Sovereigns because they were not meant to be legal tender. So there’s a chance the RM could do a similar set for the Coronation too, and we’ll find out only when the Mint Marque members report it. 😀

[apachebleu]

 Hmm, good news I'd say for those who have the jubilee and memorial proofs as a return to tradition should see them preserve their rarity.

 I'm surprised there won't be a coronation soverign, however when you really think about it, why should there be?  It's not like the mint will be short of ideas for overpriced tat to flog to the masses

[GoldDiggerDave]

I would very much like a coronation set like the more traditional sets, with 2022 being the first year for 2 proof sovereign launches and the mid year piedfort and BU I just hope the RM doesn't start a trend of minting 2 proof sets per year.   IMO I can see 2 proof sovereign in 2023.   

[westminstrel]

27 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I would very much like a coronation set like the more traditional sets, with 2022 being the first year for 2 proof sovereign launches and the mid year piedfort and BU I just hope the RM doesn't start a trend of minting 2 proof sets per year.   IMO I can see 2 proof sovereign in 2023.   

This would definitely be amazing!!!

It feels like tradition to have sets like these. I would also hope the Coronation sets are in cases like these rather than the standard ones. It’ll make this year’s sets feel so much more special and unique. 

[refero]

On 18/03/2023 at 09:36, westminstrel said:

2022 being the first year for 2 proof sovereign launches

that happened already in 2015, with fourth and fifth obverse of QEII.

my guess is that there will be a SoTD on the 6 May (and another one to celebrate KCIII 75th birthday later on this year) with a special reverse, and a traditional 2023 Sov as part of the coronation set

[westminstrel]

6 hours ago, refero said:

that happened already in 2015, with fourth and fifth obverse of QEII.

my guess is that there will be a SoTD on the 6 May (and another one to celebrate KCIII 75th birthday later on this year) with a special reverse, and a traditional 2023 Sov as part of the coronation set

Where did that quote of my post come from? 🙂

And yes you are right, I was reminded after that post about the 2x 2015 Proof Sovereigns.

As for the Coronation SotD, I have some doubts because isn’t that day supposed to be a National holiday? How can the RM get people to work a job that’s not an essential service? 🤔 Maybe UK folks will know.

[apachebleu]

On 18/03/2023 at 04:06, GoldDiggerDave said:

I would very much like a coronation set like the more traditional sets, with 2022 being the first year for 2 proof sovereign launches and the mid year piedfort and BU I just hope the RM doesn't start a trend of minting 2 proof sets per year.   IMO I can see 2 proof sovereign in 2023.   

That's really nice, properly classy looking.

I'm not a soverign guy but I'm starting to gain an appreciation for just how old that design is, how many other things we still have around us have that kind of history and provenance? Not just in coins but anywhere in life/design. 

 I like the recent jubilee and memorial coins but they must be the exception not the rule. I'm sure that people won't be queueing up to buy regular g&d proof sets quite the same but it's essential they get back to this because that's what a soverign is supposed to be.

[mffiv]

Very happy for the return of G&D.

Any predictions for bullion release date?

[harrygill111]

Is there usually a proclamation for SOTD sovereigns? There will be one on the day of the coronation surely, but perhaps a break from the usual design 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2023 by harrygill111