Bartering/Offers

[dicker]

It just comes down to how you want to operate, and the type of reputation you want.

I am not telling you how to buy and sell on the forum, just what works for me.
 

 

[AaaGee]

Ive never been one for bartering and been screwed over a few times in life, prior to getting into PMs.

Ive helped ex girlfriends etc get the price down on cars theyve bought and so on.

But never been able to do it for myself.

I have got the impression on here that if you dont like the price, you dont go for it. If the price drops into range then i/someone will go for it.

Obviously buyers and sellers maybe private messaging and negotiating.which puts the mockers on the above.

But thats how i see it rolls here.

 

AaaGee

[Spyder]

7 minutes ago, AaaGee said:

Ive never been one for bartering and been screwed over a few times in life, prior to getting into PMs.

Ive helped ex girlfriends etc get the price down on cars theyve bought and so on.

But never been able to do it for myself.

I have got the impression on here that if you dont like the price, you dont go for it. If the price drops into range then i/someone will go for it.

Obviously buyers and sellers maybe private messaging and negotiating.which puts the mockers on the above.

But thats how i see it rolls here.

 

AaaGee

You offer privately and not on the public forum. Waiting for the price to come to you might be too late as someone else grabs it before you get to see the relisted price. 

[Gordy]

1 minute ago, Spyder said:

You offer privately and not on the public forum. Waiting for the price to come to you might be too late as someone else grabs it before you get to see the relisted price. 

i do get where you're coming from but the problem you might find in the future is members get fed up of all your offers and not being prepared to pay the going rate, then the 'ignore' button gets tripped and you potentially lose out on good deals... 

[AaaGee]

4 minutes ago, Spyder said:

You offer privately and not on the public forum. Waiting for the price to come to you might be too late as someone else grabs it before you get to see the relisted price. 

Agreed.

But im new to this so still just into brits and sovs. And for now they are like busses......

[dicker]

There is nothing like a new member (with no feedback) rocking up and complaining about the lack of trust, suggesting new trading rules and telling the forum that he will be bartering.

Comedy gold.

 

[JamesH]

1 hour ago, Spyder said:

The problem I am facing is that in previously, I had a brilliant coin shop that used to sell me gold at under spot and silver at just over and never more than 10% . Sadly ill heath forced him to shut down. Would spend hours just talking with him even when there was nothing on offer. This is where I got some of these unusual coins that I put up for sell.

Respectfully, this is probably why you ended up with gear you couldn’t shift on this forum. Your dealer knew what they had and were happy to move on under spot to free up cash flow

I too make offers to some sellers. Not immediately. I do not wish to insult and nearly all items are well priced to begin with. On occasion though if there’s something I fancy but maybe it’s a little higher than I want to pay, or maybe condition is a little off, then I’ll send a private enquiry, never wanting to devalue someone’s own sale thread. I’m never going to barter just for the sake of feeling a small sense of victory though. I’m here to forge relationships with likeminded individuals 👍🏼

[Bigmarc]

2 minutes ago, dicker said:

There is nothing like a new member (with no feedback) rocking up and complaining about the lack of trust, suggesting new trading rules and telling the forum that he will be trying to screw members out of money.

Comedy gold.

 

 

[Orpster]

42 minutes ago, dicker said:

I would add that in doing so (not negotiating) a number of people mail me with offers before they list them because they know I do t mess them around and pay sane prices.

All comes with being a trusted forum member who treats people with due respect.  

Confused.com

 

[Spyder]

3 minutes ago, Bigmarc said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, Orpster said:

Confused.com

 

Well said that man, you get today's gold star and go to the top of the class

[Orpster]

Just now, Spyder said:

 

Well said that man, you get today's gold star and go to the top of the class

I am in no way taking the Michael out of @dicker, I have sold to him more than once and he is a scholar and a gentleman, just pointing out the irony of his moniker 🥰

[codenamedtango]

7 minutes ago, JamesH said:

I too make offers to some sellers. Not immediately. I do not wish to insult and nearly all items are well priced to begin with. On occasion though if there’s something I fancy but maybe it’s a little higher than I want to pay, or maybe condition is a little off, then I’ll send a private enquiry, never wanting to devalue someone’s own sale thread. I’m never going to barter just for the sake of feeling a small sense of victory though. I’m here to forge relationships with likeminded individuals 👍🏼

Well said.

[Spyder]

7 minutes ago, JamesH said:

I too make offers to some sellers. Not immediately. I do not wish to insult and nearly all items are well priced to begin with. On occasion though if there’s something I fancy but maybe it’s a little higher than I want to pay, or maybe condition is a little off, then I’ll send a private enquiry, never wanting to devalue someone’s own sale thread. I’m never going to barter just for the sake of feeling a small sense of victory though. I’m here to forge relationships with likeminded individuals 👍🏼

I would never offer on what I did not want or to insult a seller with a silly offer

[Zeuk]

If someone has something for sale, that is of interest, at a price i think is fair and i have the money spare at the time ill buy it, if the price isnt right something else comes along pretty quickly or I adjust expectations.

I cant be bothered with having a back and forth negotiation to save what may be a few quid, assuming the day is pretty busy anyway avoiding the context switch and focusing what little free time there is on saving the price of a meal deal at the co-op just isnt worth the hassle, id much rather invest the time posting pointless memes on the Naughty Boy Step.

[Petra]

2 minutes ago, Zeuk said:

If someone has something for sale, that is of interest, at a price i think is fair and i have the money spare at the time ill buy it, if the price isnt right something else comes along pretty quickly or I adjust expectations.

I cant be bothered with having a back and forth negotiation to save what may be a few quid, assuming the day is pretty busy anyway avoiding the context switch and focusing what little free time there is on saving the price of a meal deal at the co-op just isnt worth the hassle, id much rather invest the time posting pointless memes on the Naughty Boy Step.

Look at you Mr money bags!🤔😮😁

[dicker]

13 minutes ago, Spyder said:

 

Well said that man, you get today's gold star and go to the top of the class

Ah I see how this works.  Spider is here to educate and school the good folk of the forum….

[Zeuk]

1 hour ago, Spyder said:

I had a brilliant coin shop that used to sell me gold at under spot

Pretty sure you'd have no shortage of sales if you did this, also why didnt you just buy it every day and become stupendously rich?

1 minute ago, Petra said:

Look at you Mr money bags!🤔😮😁

Nope im skint

[GoldDiggerDave]

The second someone is trying to offer me lower than market price I run away from them as their naivety is deafening and they are likely to be more hassle than they are worth.  Same for people saying they only want a coin grading but only if it gets a 70.......Yes I get more of them than you think, I'm very polite but I never take them on as it an't worth the grief. 

For me I only want to do clean and hassle free business, I'm not desperate to sell like many guys here.........I think the naivety alarm bell puts many off for the same reason. 

 

 

[Spyder]

22 minutes ago, Zeuk said:

Pretty sure you'd have no shortage of sales if you did this, also why didnt you just buy it every day and become stupendously rich?

1. I only visited about once a month

2. Sometime there was nothing to be had.

3. Because of what I have written on this forum, some might think but the truth is I'm really not a greedy person at all. 

 

Like I have said in the first post on this thread, I'm interested in others opinions.

It seems quite a few don't mind offering, while others who are, get really offended.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Spyder

[Zeuk]

1 minute ago, Spyder said:

It seems quite a few don't mind offering, while others who are, get really offended.

Curious, did you percieve my response as though I was offended?

[Spyder]

1 minute ago, Zeuk said:

Curious, did you percieve my response as though I was offended?

No, not you, but you can see who are if you read the thread from the top

[daca]

dont need netflix anymore, TSF is full of dramas/comedians

[Zeuk]

1 minute ago, Spyder said:

No, not you, but you can see who are if you read the thread from the top

Cool, always hard to intuit others perspective through the written word, we often put a tone of voice on someone elses writing that isnt intented by the originater.  Good you're putting yourself out there and engaging, alas agreement is always going to be optional for others 👍

[Darr3nG]

16 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

they only want a coin grading but only if it gets a 70......

I didn't know this was a service offering... How about a refund on some of those 69s? (the gradings that is... get your mind out of the gutter!)

 

Back to the original subject, I love bartering - always have, always will. Years ago, when I built and fixed computers, I worked for all the different trades and almost always tried to agree a swap of services... updated a server for a dentist, got a checkup and some work done in return. Same with a solicitor, when I was buying a house. The best one was a priest, and although I didn't require any spiritual services at the time, I banked it and got a free baptism, a few months later  

I recently even managed to pay for a service, using a sovereign coin - best day ever! (not strictly bartering, but close enough)

 

 

I have also traded Gold for Silver and vice-versa, only using the GSR as a sales gimmick - the good people of TSF know the real values of their metals!  

[sovereignsteve]

Further to my "rant" on another topic😉

https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/71932-how-many-forum-members-as-percentage-have-been-scammed-by-new-sellers/page/8/#comment-791386

Members who possibly have too much time on their hands or just don't value the time other members have to spend researching current prices and photographing the coins in question. Couple this with being cheapskate and wanting to buy coins on here for knockdown prices.
This usually manifests as a wanted ad for xxxxx "at a reasonable price".
I've started ignoring these now as by the time I take pictures and work out what I would consider a fair and reasonable price, they've either changed their mind or really wanted a firesale price. If that is the case, whay not just say so up front?

If someone wants to sell a coin, they will be listing it. If a buyer puts up a wanted ad they are trying to entice someone who is not actively looking to sell, to sell. They are asking for a favour and consequently should treat the seller with a little respect.

Regarding haggling, I hate low-ball offers. I think it shows disrespect, certainly for a seller who obviously knows the value of things. It is also timewasting.
If a seller is desperate to sell and might consider a low offer, it is generally obvious from the listing.

I know often the seller might make an allowance for offers in their original price, but this will be minor.