20 Franc Coins Of The LMU

[Choi]

17 hours ago, augur said:

Is the moon and star edge a Tunisian Franc piece? To what coin does the reeded edge below belong?

Yes that's the Tunisian coin. The two reeded coin are the Hungarian 8 Forint/ 20 Francs and Polish 20 Zlotych.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Choi

[Toshunya86]

cross-post from "today i received"

 

eceived recently :  3 coins

1- Austria-Hungary 20 Francs /8 Forint 1890 - features an eagle , from Fiume region , only present on some 1890 1891 & 1892.

 

 

2- Kingdom of Serbs , Croats and Slovenians ( a brief kindgom preceding Yugoslavia)  20 Dinara 1925 

 

3- 10 Francs - Switzerland - 1922 

 

[jultorsk]

Two recent (raw) auction buys, now graded. 

 

[Choi]

My recent two additions.  

 

1.France 1851 20 Francs Ceres

-Bought at 311 euros (1.3% over spot) about 3 weeks ago, but...when it was around $1950/oz range  (it crashed just a day after my purchase due to the vaccine news)

 

2.Italy 1865 20 Lire

-Recently bought at 287 euros (about 1% over spot). it has pretty much amount of bag marks,  but the overall condition isn't bad considering the price.  This is my first Italian 20 piece.   

Now I have only one more to go for my 20th 20 Franc coin.   

[jultorsk]

Not in the best of nick, but thought to pick it up nevertheless - 1884 20 Drachmai. 

 

[Lea79]

Not the best pic but I added a nice little Louis xviii London mint from numiscorner.  I have been after this one for a long while..... hmmmm what to add next 🤔

Edited December 23, 2020 by Lea79

[Choi]

 

 

Here are my recent additions.

1.1806 20 Francs

Pretty scare single year type.   I think I slightly overpaid (344 euros) considering the scratch in the neck, but still love the high relief wreath compared to later versions.

It is quite interesting that although this was minted when Napoleon already was an emperor,  the writing in the back is 'République Française'.

 

2.1812 40 Francs

I paid 620 euros for this, and I think it is a fair amount.  

 

I've also won

Louis Napoleon 1852 20 Francs (1 year type minted just before he became an emperor)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20-FRANCS-OR-GOLD-LOUIS-NAPOLEON-BONAPARTE-1852-A-VOIR/143952356578?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

Charles X  1828 20 Francs  (This guy carries a higher premium than Napoleon I or Louis XVIII)  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Charles-x-20-francs-1828-a-paris-gold-gold-/393137300828?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9W1YF1HTDBnVrKoAl4HUUHTkE14%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

Both at a fair price, but it didn't arrived yet. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2021 by Choi

[Hannibal]

The most difficult ones to find, among the relatively modern "20"-denomination LMU run, are the ones from Montenegro (20 Perpera) and Albania (20 Franga).
They carry such huge premiums!

[jultorsk]

Got my first pre-1907 rooster coin today, a 1900. Made an attempt to capture the color in comparison to the apparent restrikes that I had at hand. 

 

[augur]

Slightly off format as 25 Francs-sized 

 

[Kookaburracollector]

On 25/02/2021 at 02:30, Hannibal said:

The most difficult ones to find, among the relatively modern "20"-denomination LMU run, are the ones from Montenegro (20 Perpera) and Albania (20 Franga).
They carry such huge premiums!

The 20 Franga carry a large premium..but my goodness they are worth it. I have a large, and diverse coin collection, and without a doubt...the finest coins in my collection are my two Skanderbegus 

They do come up for auction quite frequently...I bought one from Goldberg’s and one from Greece... Although expensive, I do think they are worth every cent.

[Lea79]

I agree.  The 20 franga coin is by far my favourite coin of the series.   They are beautiful and worth the premium.  I have one more coin to go to hit 30 different coins of the LMU..... what to get that’s the question 🧐

[Hannibal]

On 04/03/2021 at 17:12, Kookaburracollector said:

The 20 Franga carry a large premium..but my goodness they are worth it. I have a large, and diverse coin collection, and without a doubt...the finest coins in my collection are my two Skanderbegus 

They do come up for auction quite frequently...I bought one from Goldberg’s and one from Greece... Although expensive, I do think they are worth every cent.

😮😲

I don't believe you have two of them!
I'm impressed and jealous at the same time. 😉🙂
Where in Greece exactly did you one from? Was it from a dealer or was it a private sale?

Would you say this particular coin carries the largest premium among the rest of your LMU coins in your collection (possible exception the 20 Perpera from Montenegro) ?

[Hannibal]

7 hours ago, Lea79 said:

I agree.  The 20 franga coin is by far my favourite coin of the series.   They are beautiful and worth the premium.  I have one more coin to go to hit 30 different coins of the LMU..... what to get that’s the question 🧐

The "20 Perpera" from Montenegro, if you're lucky enough to find one at a decent price! 🤔😉🙂

[Kookaburracollector]

2 hours ago, Hannibal said:

😮😲

I don't believe you have two of them!
I'm impressed and jealous at the same time. 😉🙂
Where in Greece exactly did you one from? Was it from a dealer or was it a private sale?

Would you say this particular coin carries the largest premium among the rest of your LMU coins in your collection (possible exception the 20 Perpera from Montenegro) ?

Hi...just checked my records. The 1926 Skanderbegu was bought from a small private dealer based in Thessaloniki (via eBay). He still trades under the name Agamemnon 2586.

The 1926 usually carries a higher premium than the 1927, which is odd as it has a higher mintage...5900 as opposed to 5000.

Out of all of my LMU these two are probably the most expensive to buy, but in the case of the 1927 it is graded PCGSMS64, so as a graded example it commands a higher price than a raw coin.

Two other 20 Francs coins come very close, if not higher:-

The 1896 French 20 Fr ‘Angel at Desk’ with the rare ‘Torche’ mint mark is extremely rare, and expensive to buy. I would say for every 30 coins of this date, 29 will have the ‘fasces’, axe mint mark. Unfortunately, I had to pay full price to obtain mine.

The other one to look out for is the French 20 Francs 1888 year date. The 20 Fr coins were minted in there millions, but not this one. I think the mintage was only about 28k. I managed to get mine from a French dealer for a little over £300. Once back from grading (AU58), it is probably worth double!

When the sun rises, I might edit the post to add pictures of the above two coins.

[Lea79]

4 hours ago, Hannibal said:

12 hours ago, Lea79 said:

 

The "20 Perpera" from Montenegro, if you're lucky enough to find one at a decent price! 🤔😉🙂

There’s one on eBay atm with over a wk left 

[Lea79]

@Kookaburracollectorhow much are the 1927 valued at these day? I still have 2 of the same yr might consider swapping or selling for one I don’t have 

[augur]

12 hours ago, Lea79 said:

I agree.  The 20 franga coin is by far my favourite coin of the series.   They are beautiful and worth the premium.  I have one more coin to go to hit 30 different coins of the LMU..... what to get that’s the question 🧐

The Platinum/Faso 20 Franga or a babyface/childface Alfonso XIII 20 Pesetas?

Edited March 6, 2021 by augur

[Kookaburracollector]

7 minutes ago, Lea79 said:

@Kookaburracollectorhow much are the 1927 valued at these day? I still have 2 of the same yr might consider swapping or selling for one I don’t have 

Hi @Lea79 the value is entirely down to grade...if ungraded then much lower. I was looking at an MS66 last year, and it went for silly money...well into four figures. I don’t think I have ever seen one sell for less than £600, but haven’t really followed them recently...unlike @augur...he will know. The 1926 used to go for an extra £50-£100..

Maybe post some pics of the ones you have...

[augur]

@Lea79 all condition depending. If yours are in mint state £700 but MS64 condition now fetches £1,000 and more. Those rare PROVA/Fasces/Platinum examples sell in excess of £4,000 and £8,000 respectively. 

[Kookaburracollector]

Photos as promised...edit not currently available🙁

Note difference between torch and axe.

[Lea79]

@Kookaburracollector @augur both are in good condition.  Maybe I should contact numi and get the best one graded if the price difference is that much.  I will take some pics when the sun come back up and the lighting is better 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Lea79

[Hannibal]

13 hours ago, Kookaburracollector said:

Hi...just checked my records. The 1926 Skanderbegu was bought from a small private dealer based in Thessaloniki (via eBay). He still trades under the name Agamemnon 2586.

The 1926 usually carries a higher premium than the 1927, which is odd as it has a higher mintage...5900 as opposed to 5000.

Out of all of my LMU these two are probably the most expensive to buy, but in the case of the 1927 it is graded PCGSMS64, so as a graded example it commands a higher price than a raw coin.

Two other 20 Francs coins come very close, if not higher:-

The 1896 French 20 Fr ‘Angel at Desk’ with the rare ‘Torche’ mint mark is extremely rare, and expensive to buy. I would say for every 30 coins of this date, 29 will have the ‘fasces’, axe mint mark. Unfortunately, I had to pay full price to obtain mine.

The other one to look out for is the French 20 Francs 1888 year date. The 20 Fr coins were minted in there millions, but not this one. I think the mintage was only about 28k. I managed to get mine from a French dealer for a little over £300. Once back from grading (AU58), it is probably worth double!

When the sun rises, I might edit the post to add pictures of the above two coins.

Thank you for pointing to "Agamemnon 2586" dealer in Thessaloniki/Greece.
Very useful piece of info.

Impressive LMU collection you have there. 
Would you care to indicate, where exactly on the coin is the rare ‘Torche’ mint mark on the 20 Fr ‘Angel at Desk’ because I can't see it?

Also, may I ask what the premium you paid, over spot, for the Albanian 20 Franga coins was, percentage-wise? 

Do you have any "20 Perpera" from Motenegro?
I believe this is the second rarest LMU coin, apart from the "20 Franga".

Edited March 6, 2021 by Hannibal

[whuamai]

15 minutes ago, Hannibal said:

Thank you for pointing to "Agamemnon 2586" dealer in Thessaloniki/Greece.
Very useful piece of info.

Impressive LMU collection you have there. 
Would you care to indicate, where exactly on the coin is the rare ‘Torche’ mint mark on the 20 Fr ‘Angel at Desk’ because I can't see it?

Also, may I ask what the premium you paid, over spot, for the Albanian 20 Franga coins was, percentage-wise? 

Do you have any "20 Perpera" from Motenegro?
I believe this is the second rarest LMU coin, apart from the "20 Franga".

The 20 Perpera does not have LMU specs.

There are a fewtypes which are alot rarer than the 20 Franga albania.

[whuamai]

Here you guys can find a link where most of them are listed:

http://www.rene-finn.de/lmugold.html