1817Karl

A couple of options...

https://www.1817.co.uk/store/p2215/1994GoldProofHalfSovereign.html#/

https://www.1817.co.uk/store/p1616/1994GoldProofSovereign.html#/

Ideally looking for a 70... how much?

Hi. I'm looking for one of these, let me know if anyone has one available. 

31 minutes ago, Orpster said:

I don’t think there are any NGC MS70 2017’s Karl, I think 69 is top pop except for the SOTD’s

You're absolutely right (just checked the census report) will have to settle for a 69 then (no further comment!)

2 minutes ago, Thomast said:

That’s a very expensive list 

good luck with your search 

Is there any other type...

Evening all...

I have a shopping list for PF70 and MS70 Gold Full Sovereigns, must be in NGC holders and looking for the following dates...

Proofs - 1979, 1984, 1986, 1990, 1992, 1993 1994 & 2023 Piedfort.

Bullion 2017, 2022 & 2023 Double

If you can help get in touch ... 

On 07/02/2024 at 11:01, Touvex said:

What are you look to pay please?

£650

Hi... I"m looking to buy a few of these if there are any available? 

Photo for illustration only! I don't have one to sell I'm looking to buy 😉

Hi. I can do £1,150 if any good, for both.

For me doubles are the best buy. The so called “perceived wisdom” is essentially do what everyone else is doing (buy singles). However the better value purchase is to buy doubles. My view is that doubles will appreciate better over time and I’m not one to buy the current trend, more look for the value proposition for the future. As said by others, you can appreciate the design much more on the doubles also and they generally are much rarer (lower mintage numbers). 

I’m looking to source a 1902 Circulation or Matte Proof Double Sovereign. Needs to be graded with NGC as MS or PF 61/2. 
 

if you have one for sale please contact me. 

I have one available. 

Hi Darren. If you can do a reasonable discount on the 5 full Sovs as a package, I may be interested. If so you can email karl@1817.co.uk. Thanks. 

Mike. Long time!   https://www.1817.co.uk/store/p1998/2021GoldProofHalfSovereign.html#/

Hi. Can you do £200 posted? If so I’ll take two

Hi. I’m looking for a 2015 4th portrait full Sovereign in PF70 UCAM. Anyone looking to sell please get in touch karl@1817.co.uk 

4 minutes ago, QuantumStacker said:

so what is your price

£425

I have one in PF70 UCAM but £350 isn’t enough…

These are indeed error coins! They are found in Half, Full, Double and Quintuple types for 2014. The reverses are struck with Proof dies and the obverse Brilliant Uncirculated dies. They are found in single Brilliant Uncirculated presentation boxes and Proof Sets! I addressed these specific error coins with Gordon Summers - Chief Engraver at the Royal Mint and he recalls the issues they had in 2014 with these coins. He was Chief Engraver during this time period. 

10 hours ago, TeaTime said:

If you get the opportunity to view some genuine coins (that's where a local dealer comes in handy), you can spot most fakes out there - 90% of them these days are Chinese made and have obvious errors. In fact it wouldn't hurt to invest £20 on obtaining some from such as AliExpress as examples. 

A friend of mine actually collects contemorary forgeries - that's a market in itself.

Cleaning is a difficult subject - how can anyone tell if a circulating coin from the 1600's has been cleaned or if it has recieved scratches from general use. I think when most people say 'cleaned' it generally refers to a coin that has been obviously 'spruced up' using an abrasive. I would not be surprised if most 400 year old coins have recieved some degree of cleaning at some point in their history... Sometimes it just doesn't matter.

I will often buy lesser grade coins - there is nothing as satisfying as holding an historic coin in the hand for a fondle.. 😁

 

Agree cleaning is a very difficult area… 

Super set of portrait changes. The 1817 looks lovely. 😂

8 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

Crowns are both facinating and a nightmare.

I am not aware of a definitive publication but I think I have seen mention of a couple of old books that looked interesting but couldn't find copies.

Best resource is the internet, Spink and specialist auction house catalogues.

I don't think there's that much to learn about them that a good reference catalogue won't tell you.

The main issue as others have pointed out is you must learn to accutately grade them and be able to spot cleaned examples. Fakes can be common but tend to be easy to spot as, being silver, the alloy used is usually incorrect.

Many thanks. Fakes will be the most difficult to get to grips with I guess as with Sovereigns it comes down to experience and handling to build the knowledge. 

9 hours ago, TeaTime said:

I'm a crown collector - my aim was to buy a coin from every monarch from the restoration to present day. Needles to say it got quite expensive...

The only resource i used was the coin yearbook by Token Publishing and a local BNTA registered coin dealer. It's a facinating hobby and a good way to invest if you can buy well (my local dealer guaranteed to buy-back any coins for the sale price for 12 months - i never used this option and most of the coins i have purchased in the last decade have massively increased in value.

Condition is everything on historic coins and buying from Ebay is not recommended (unless from a well established dealer) for serious value coins, the difference between a Fine and Very Fine coin can be hundreds of pounds. The difference between VF and EF can be thousands. The temptation for sellers to 'upgrade' a coin is too great and it happens with dismaying regularity....

Many thanks, I’m not an eBay fan either from a buyer or seller perspective, so likely keep away from the platform. I’m pretty ok with condition and grading so should be ok to spot realistically graded coins. Good offer from the dealer you bought from. I think I’ll get a copy of English Silver Coinage by Bull. I see there is a recent 7th Edition out early this year so likely use that as the reference text. 

10 hours ago, Gypsy said:

Hi Karl. Iv bought quite a few crowns for grading. A lot came back “cleaned” so just be wary when buying. 

Yes will do, I’m assuming the same tell tale signs as with gold… I’m guessing harder to spot with silver from a fine lines perspective, as I assume silver doesn’t show cleaning hairlines as much as gold, due to being a harder metal alloy. Also assuming you would need to see nice even toning on silver. 

Hi All. Ive been hoping to develop a crown collection for a while and know very little about silver crowns. I think i'm going to look at full crowns and would like to receive recommendations for books that would improve my very basic knowledge of the coins. 

Recommendations on must read and resource publications would be really appreciated. As would any other advice!