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On 05/01/2024 at 19:56, ArgentSmith said:

Isnt it the same Heritage Auctions caught up in the inflated graded games scandal?

All those "attractively toned" Morgan dollars.

And yeah, beautiful toning only exists on morgan dollars as natural, and they all grade at MS67. Haven't really seen old circ. silver coins from other countries behaving like that. Could that be the climate of California?

Just now, NGMD said:

I just liked it. I’m a simple chap.😁

Planning to get on myself, not any time soon though... I'm broke

On 05/01/2024 at 21:05, NGMD said:

Got a very similar one going a little bit cheaper…..yeah, any takers?

The yens were shrank by nealy a half since Meiji year 4 or something. Off the top of my head but this one you showed is much smaller

For a pound, and you could hop on a bus for 2 of them

On 07/01/2024 at 15:24, richatthecroft said:

I kind of agree, but the Pistrucci George & Dragon design is more than worthy of inclusion into the series. 

Hopefully there will also be a nice uplift in value of the original 1818- 20 Crown it will be a re-working of 👍 

 

 

 

 

The original crowns exist in a large number in relative good conditions though. Why don't people just buy the original

The modern remakes are no match in terms of relief and details

On 05/01/2024 at 21:25, HonestMoneyGoldSilver said:

They are biblical quotes and any lines drawn were not drawn by me. The quotes specifically forbid coveting, stealing or redrawing property boundaries. Nobody is taking from anybody but that doesn't mean we can't judge the methods and lifestyle of billionaires and find them to be morally vacuous. There are 2,700 billionaires, give or take. Find me 10 righteous and I'll change my mind. 

I don't need to change your mind. In saying all these I may have changed someone's mind already, and other minds aren't for changing. I won't get a penny sucking up to the billionaires, but I know my life (and likely yours) will get substantially worse if our society starts booting billionaires out. God is just, He knows what people want and gives it to them, and I swear He knows what they want better than the people themselves. 

And you still haven't answered my question. If all billionaires are vacuous blood-suckers, what about  millionaires with £100m? And those with £10m? And anyone with a flat in London? Where should people draw a line before they stop having money, and if they don't are you going to draw it for them? And that I mean amount, not means. Probably no one is taking here but some might be coveting.

The lesson (also biblical quotes) is not to go around make unfounded moral judgements about people based on one's own conception. We know greed is bad but hubris is always worse. Oh, and envy. In the end, Dominus novit qui sunt eius

15 minutes ago, Agaupl said:

Not at all related to gold price. But adds to the current talk. But my thought is (and it may be completely wrong) that involuntary income tax has replaced voluntary charity. 

Tax is alright if well spent. Can't remember when that last happened in the past 20 years

1 hour ago, Jeffers46 said:

At some point we have to trust something in this world lads. They would be in serious trouble if they were inflating

It's illegal to shill bid, but there are ways around it, like friends or trusted dealers.

But they can't make it too wild or people will find out. So HA results are somewhat reliable.

EBay is a whole new story. Some people honestly want stuff that badly...

52 minutes ago, HonestMoneyGoldSilver said:

As the saying goes, "behind every great fortune there is a great crime", so those who can afford to donate millions or billions are kind of by default the biggest criminals to begin with

That's a very wild statement. It tells more about whoever says it than whom it says, as those who believe in this believe in none but crimes and will not hesitate to commit any should they wish. That's also how they'd justify their murderous banditry; "rich people bad" I hear they cry, "let's do whatever we want to them"

11 hours ago, JohnV66 said:

I had no idea there were so many varieties. I've learned something today.

They used master tools to stamp the dies then hand carved some details. I guess this could be the reason. 

It's actually easier to carve things raised than incused, because they'd know the relief of different parts of the design. The master tools were handmade and hence all the differences.

https://www.royalmintmuseum.org.uk/collection/master-tools-and-dies/

These will need to be reworked from time to time, but far less frequent than the dies were remade. Say a punch lasted to make 100 dies, and each die was used to make 10,000 coins or more, for every million coins you remade the die 100 times and the punch only once.

The master tools were also used to counterstamp the spanish silver in the 1790s and until 1804.

The thieves need locking up not a slap on the wrist, even if the stolen goods are returned...

1 hour ago, JohnA1 said:

Earlier on I was shocked by the level of ignorance of the "crypto bro's", even the leading ones. Practically none of them have even read the white paper.

Now I don't even blink at the TomFoolery - the less they know, the more they are convinced they know everything 🤣

Funniest of them all is SBF who believed he needed urgently to do good to the society, then proceeded to hastily steal customers' funds. Effective altruism, eh?

1 hour ago, RDHC said:

https://www.royalmint.com/sovereign/bullion/

This is the page, showing streamers on all four sovereigns, but just below there is an image of presumably the single sovereign with no streamer.

 The 'tacked-on' interpretation is my own because it looks as though the streamer must have been added artificially for those sovereigns that do not possess one as minted.

The original St G didn't have one until 1887. However, the 1823 (perhaps the only double with St.G before 1887) had the streamer. Streamer also appeared on the George III crowns. 1/2 sovs did not feature St.G until 1893, and by then streamer was the standard. So it's all keeping with tradition that the £1 should have not the streamer while all others do.

7 hours ago, iggypop said:

A bigger loss today elsewhere for the other side 

If gold and silver are anything "manipulated" on the table, cryptos are like underground casinos. You don't even need to buy/sell derivatives or actually shift physical, and all you need is a couple of tweets and a crowd of juvenile nouveaux

12 minutes ago, Kitalon said:

Thank you, I think I understand the cost averaging concept a lot better now. Listening to everyone here has definitely changed the way I'm thinking now. But it still doesn't make me want to buy without delay, I want to be more like Harry carefully choose my moments and end up half a million richer than Amanda. 😜

$500 each month was big money in the 70s and 80s. If you could afford $500/mo back in the 70s and have not gone broke in 92, 97, 08, etc, you will either have

1) quit gold completely

2) raised your stakes massively to something like $5000/mo

3) become a collector spending tens of thousands on single coins, f (short for foget) bullion

Just now, James32 said:

ATS have them at £415 delivered. Even then that's steep. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on online pricing at the big dealers when checking older years. They are usually extortionate. This is only to help you and no offence meant, but at £420 plus post you are better buying a special reverse or original shield sovereign. 

18 minutes ago, Safestacker said:

The george is higher as more collectible. Look at prices online. 

Thanks guys. Just happen to have some crappy duplicates to offload but have no idea how to price

1 hour ago, Earthmetal said:

As a slight aside, I wonder why the half-once coins are relatively ignored? 1/10, 1/4 & 1oz are all more popular.

1/4 same size as the sov, 1/10 for the povoes. 1/2s are unpopular for the same reason double sovs are, namely you don't get the same liquidity of the smaller ones, and not the aesthetics of the big

£420 and £380, that's quite interesting pricing. May I humbly ask why?

How about a Christmas gift for yourself my firend (in Screwtape style)

Cheeky little things.

Tried to bid on an 1887 MS64 half sov but didn't get it. It went all the way to £740 which is way more than what an MS64 gets at major auctions...

16 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

I wonder if the reason that 1937 sovereigns/sets appear on the market frequently is that they tend to be bought by collectors at or near the end of their collecting journey, due to the cost.  I have read that this is the case for the 1934 crown, it's one of the last coins that a serious predecimal collector with deep pockets might buy.

Because of that, the average age of these collectors is likely to be quite high, which is why these coins might appear fairly frequently on the open market as and when their collections are liquidated.

I'm just glad that I don't really want to own coins like these!

Yes there does seem to be some very expensive coins that resurface one a while. Rare, but not too rare, and straight expensive, like some old VF 5 guineas and the 1937. There are relatively few who can afford them, and UK coins are nowhere as in demand as the US coins. I'm personally uninterested in US coins, but I can see there are just many more rich people there. Same for the Chinese coins, but those are far, far more fraudulent.

That said, there are coins so rare you'd have to buy as soon as you see one. I came across an UNC Details coin of a very desirable type, with a tiny mechanical damage barely visible with naked eyes and overall brilliant uncirculated. Which is a pity. It's still marketed for a hefty sum, and I decided to buy it, because I will likely not see another with straight grade (and comparable eye appeal) in the next decade or so and probably will not be able to afford it. 

Not sure if I did the right thing though, because Details coins don't sell these days, and I won't get the money back. Very, very, very bad investment, totally heart-driven decision. And if one day I can afford a numerically graded equivalent I'd be rich enough not to worry about the loss I took today. Still, you know, details is a dirty word today, and I avoided details coins like plague, so I'm very conflicted now.

The Buckingham Palace in gold is stunning, but I think I'll skip this set because the price is too high. It's too hard to shift modern proofs these days...