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closed 2x 2017 5 Sovereign 200th Anniversary NGC MS70


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1 minute ago, Leonmarsh said:

Incorrect NGC labels ? Shouldnt they be PF70 rather than ms70

Stunning coins though but of a rarity slabbed wrong 

Na there BU but proof like. 

I like to buy the pre-dip dip

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6 minutes ago, Leonmarsh said:

Ah sorry folks didn't know they did those 

Apologies cheapest I have seen them is £3,600 so these are a great price 

No probs, they look just as good.

Pic to better show the BU finish on Queenie, the obverse I think match the proofs.

And thanks, I hoped I'd priced them fair :)

 

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Great price.  Proof finish on the reverse.  Plus only about half as many were minted.

Gorgeous.

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On 12/01/2024 at 23:58, Charliemouse said:

Great price.  Proof finish on the reverse.  Plus only about half as many were minted.

Gorgeous.

1,000 mintage for the BU/DPL and 750 mintage for the proof, though I’ve seen 749 mintage for the proof listed by some dealers in the past.

Own it and Love it.

(With thanks to 9x883 for the suggestion)

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On 12/01/2024 at 22:20, oooootini said:

No probs, they look just as good.

Pic to better show the BU finish on Queenie, the obverse I think match the proofs.

And thanks, I hoped I'd priced them fair :)

 

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I agree. Having compared both versions side by side the reverse of the BU/DPL indeed matches the proof. The obvious difference is one obverse is proof and the other is BU.

My BU has recently achieved a MS70 DPL grading and should be on its way back to @GoldDiggerDave - a great result after his personal conservation on it.

A great coin to own for the price as the front of the slab displays a reverse as good as the proof. 

Own it and Love it.

(With thanks to 9x883 for the suggestion)

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My opinion on these coins, 

The both the reverses and obverse dies are proof dies, just the obverse die was left deliberately  un frosted to differentiate between the proof and BU coins.   Without question this is a quality coin.  

On a side note about proof dies,  on 2023 and 2024 1/4oz gold proof coins I'm noticing a common pattern and it's not a good one.  

on some of the coins the obverse is very weakly struck resulting in the portrait and especially the legend to have a very rounded profile akin to a bullion strike, its not a bullion die as its frosted but its clearly much weaker than other 1/4oz gold proof coins.   This is way in my opinion many are coming back PF69UC or less.  

 

 

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11 hours ago, GoodAsGold said:

1,000 mintage for the BU/DPL and 750 mintage for the proof, though I’ve seen 749 mintage for the proof listed by some dealers in the past.

Marsh gives 749 proof, 113 normal.

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The Royal Mint publishes the actual sales of its commemorative coins, they cite the 2017 Five Sovereign BU as 992 actually sold and 749 Proof 5 Sovereign issued in the 5 Coin Sovereign Sets.

https://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/mintage-figures/2017-dated-uk-commemorative-coin-sales/

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26 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

The Royal Mint publishes the actual sales of its commemorative coins, they cite the 2017 Five Sovereign BU as 992 actually sold and 749 Proof 5 Sovereign issued in the 5 Coin Sovereign Sets.

https://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/mintage-figures/2017-dated-uk-commemorative-coin-sales/

Sounds like Marsh missed off the last digit.  Probably meant to be 1130'ish.  Or they just got it totally wrong. Who knows.

Considering I am only a very casual sovereign collector and relative noob, I think that's the third very obvious error I have found in Marsh in the last year.  Disappointing.

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