Pressure to Grade

[CollectorNo1]

4 minutes ago, ChrisSilver said:

@CollectorNo1 It’s ok, I have deleted all of the photos from that quoted part as couldn’t see which one it was in. Please let me know if all is OK now or if anything else with your personal details needs to be removed @Leonmarsh

@ChrisSilver not sure what your referring too..but feel free to delete what ever you think is inappropriate..

Kind regards

David

[SilverMike]

12 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

Yes...and there are plenty on this site who disagree with grading coins....cest la vie Sir..... 

Look this thread was started by people talking about what they do or don’t like, you attacked the people that do grade. It was a naïve statement, but aggressively put.

I personally don't care if people do or don’t grade, what services they do or don’t get. Im indifferent to it, I can see the reasons for not grading completely. But you accused me (the group I belong too) of only grading because we are greedy and want to artificially inflate a price, which is your opinion, but it simply isn’t true. Yes there is a market for PF70 anything in modern releases that sell above raw prices, but thats created by a supply and demand, people want them in PF70 as much as people want to sell them PF70. Ultimately they sit in a collection as much as an ungraded coin does.

[Leonmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Roy said:

Your Mills and Boon Annual 2022? Is it out already?

Honest to god Roy it never ends the MBA getting distracted by the TSF 

[HerefordBullyun]

6 minutes ago, Roy said:

Your Mills and Boon Annual 2022? Is it out already?

Its called Leon Marsh's pants down special Ive heard!

[CollectorNo1]

2 minutes ago, SilverMike said:

Look this thread was started by people talking about what they do or don’t like, you attacked the people that do grade. It was a naïve statement, but aggressively put.

I personally don't care if people do or don’t grade, what services they do or don’t get. Im indifferent to it, I can see the reasons for not grading completely. But you accused me (the group I belong too) of only grading because we are greedy and want to artificially inflate a price, which is your opinion, but it simply isn’t true. Yes there is a market for PF70 anything in modern releases that sell above raw prices, but thats created by a supply and demand, people want them in PF70 as much as people want to sell them PF70. Ultimately they sit in a collection as much as an ungraded coin does.

ATTACKED!!!!!! is a very offensive word......????? I'm just expressing my views which we all have the right to do...ATTACKED is quite offensive sir which I do not appreciate.and will report.

[Leonmarsh]

1 minute ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Its called Leon Marsh's pants down special Ive heard!

I like that were having a conversation about my pants down in the middle of a heated debate about grading 

[SilverMike]

10 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

ATTACKED!!!!!! is a very offensive word......????? I'm just expressing my views which we all have the right to do...ATTACKED is quite offensive sir which I do not appreciate.and will report.

Are you asking me if attacked is a very offensive word? The forum filter is normally pretty good and catches most offensive words like, ****, k******d, etc. Sorry if i offended your delicate feelings.

[richatthecroft]

13 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

ATTACKED is quite offensive sir which I do not appreciate.and will report.

 

Oh please, stop being such a nobber 

 

14 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

I'm just expressing my views which we all have the right to do...

 

And stop using this as a defence for your absolute drivel- simply think or count to 10 or 50 or a figure of your choosing and then make a considered commentary that adds value to a thread rather than stymieing debate.   

[CollectorNo1]

1 minute ago, SilverMike said:

Are you asking me if attacked is a very offensive word? The forum filter is normally pretty good and catches most offensive words like, ****, k******d, etc. Sorry if i offended your delicate feelings.

Do not patronise me....your words are immature....the fact is I was only stating my opinions...jesus!!! Can't I say what I think without being slated???  Yes Attacked I feel is inappropriate..and yes I have put in a complaint against you...you are the only one who has had a problem with my comments....I'm ok with it..but don't like the word ATTACKED which I didn't do....Just my opinion!

[CollectorNo1]

3 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

 

Oh please, stop being such a nobber 

 

 

And stop using this as a defence for your absolute drivel- simply think or count to 10 or 50 or a figure of your choosing and then make a considered commentary that adds value to a thread rather than stymieing debate.   

Thanks for your view..Guess your friend  with @SilverMike

[CollectorNo1]

Just now, CollectorNo1 said:

Thanks for your view..Guess your friend  with @SilverMike

Nobber?????? I applaud your command on the English language 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[richatthecroft]

Just now, CollectorNo1 said:

Thanks for your view..Guess your friend  with @SilverMike

 

Yes, and a bigger friend of thoughtful commentary and opinion 

[CollectorNo1]

Just now, richatthecroft said:

 

Yes, and a bigger friend of thoughtful commentary and opinion 

Awww bless...lovers??

[richatthecroft]

Just now, CollectorNo1 said:

Nobber?????? I applaud your command on the English language 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thanks for the applause....The pleasure is all mine 

Just now, CollectorNo1 said:

Awww bless...lovers??

Troll?

[sovereignsteve]

c'mon guys, time to give it up

@ChrisSilver

[HerefordBullyun]

Yeah - if you are both gentlemen be gentleman (espically if you own silver) and agree to disagree and move on. Gold is for kings and silver is for gentlemen and if you own gold play your spandau ballet record _GOLD!!!! or put ya elvis presley songs on as its only the king on here!

1 minute ago, sovereignsteve said:

c'mon guys, time to give it up

 

[richatthecroft]

Just now, sovereignsteve said:

c'mon guys, time to give it up

You're right Steve.  I admit being guilty of feeding the Troll- a hiding to nothing.

But fortunately, I will learn from my mistake.

[Leonmarsh]

Can I pull my pants back up now? 

[CollectorNo1]

2 minutes ago, richatthecroft said:

You're right Steve.  I admit being guilty of feeding the Troll- a hiding to nothing.

But fortunately, I will learn from my mistake.

Now I'm a Troll??? Unreal sir...I will agree to disagree without being personal and calling names..gave that up when I was 14 years old..No disrespect to you guys...sleep tight..

[SilverMike]

4 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

Now I'm a Troll??? Unreal sir...I will agree to disagree without being personal and calling names..gave that up when I was 14 years old..No disrespect to you guys...sleep tight..

Happy birthday 🎂… but dont play the martyr, you know what you are doing, you’re just not as good at it as you think, most of us just ignore it normally.

[HerefordBullyun]

13 minutes ago, Leonmarsh said:

Can I pull my pants back up now? 

Not until youve finished ya Mills And Boon novel!

[CollectorNo1]

9 minutes ago, SilverMike said:

Happy birthday 🎂… but dont play the martyr, you know what you are doing, you’re just not as good at it as you think, most of us just ignore it normally.

Omg you have to have the last word!!!! Was you bullied as a kid..😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[Roy]

Ooh! The irony...

[ChrisSilver]

Haven’t read all the posts in this topic but seems to have settled down now. So hopefully no intervention is needed from the Moderation team.

Thank you for all the members who debate respectfully and keep TSF a friendly place, and for those who try to de-escalate rather then escalate confrontation.  

[mr1030]

3 hours ago, Leonmarsh said:

Same reason I slabbed this and the only reason is because its the second finest known example. Of a cali gold fractional in the world of that year 

It's the size of a little finger nail so grading helps storage and authenticity for me nothing more nothing less 

Just gave me peace of mind 

 

Very nice coin.  My LCS has one in the shop that I have been seriously considering picking up.  For anyone who has not seen one in person, they are ridiculously tiny.

My personal opinion on the raw vs slab debate, I prefer raw coins.  I love handling raw coins (with appropriate care), and putting coins in albums.  For display purposes, I find it much more satisfying to see coins in albums in close proximity to each other, rather then slabs racked in a slab box or in bulky 3-ring binder slab pages that only hold 6 to 9 slabs per page.  I can appreciate the confidence that graded coins give to buyers that either don't have the necessary experience to grade coins accurately themselves, or have to seek their coins thru online purchasing.  

But part of me regrets the irreversible impact grading services have had on the hobby.  I'm attempting to complete a U.S. Type Set which I want to display in an album.  My goal is to buy coins in XF to MS condition (based on budget constraints) to complete a set with very nice eye appeal.  Here in the U.S. grading is so pervasive, that it is extremely difficult to find older problem free higher grade raw coins.  Most all such coins are sent in for grading, and what raw coins you can find in store inventories are those deemed unworthy that would get a details grade because of cleaning, scratches, other problems, etc.  I also think the explosive rise in prices for higher graded coins has been due in large part to deep pocket collectors who are simply looking to raise their registry scores a fraction of a point, regardless of quality of strike or eye appeal of the coin.  The score is all that matters.

But that is what the hobby is now, and railing against is as effective as pissing into the wind.  Grading services have good points and bad points.  But coin shopping just seemed a more personal affair 30 or 40 years ago, and I miss that.

Edited October 28, 2021 by mr1030