cliveb13

Rh Au Pd Pt

Thank you @Roy happy to give some info. My own interest in Pt & then Pd was part of a collectible aim to build an element collection. This predates my interest in Sovereigns or gold & before I found TSF palladium, Platinum & Rhodium are all used in catalytic converters. They are excellent catalysts (they aid a chemical reaction without being changed themselves) & in this case they are being used to convert CO (carbon monoxide) to CO2 and also to reduce nitrous oxide in the latest versions of ICE engines. Some of you will have diesel Ad Blu engines & the Adblu reacts with NOx ( nitrous oxide ) to create Nitrogen & water. Both harmless so it’s not Pd or Pt. both have roles. I have collected both since 2014. Pt has traded in a range without breakout & has been consistently close to where I bought in terms of £. Pd quadrupled to over £2100 an ounce & today sits at £1500. Of course this is before , bid /ask spread & vat. I think it’s very difficult to make ££ with Pd or Pt because if you want to exit you need to find someone who wants to pay in a similar way to when you bought or a dealer will only offer you spot-3% . It has to move a lot before your very good 15% premium buy is in a tradeable profit. I myself have bought several Pt pieces that the seller says were priced below. I collect Pt too as Roy & others know but it’s an intrinsic interest in elements & now coins. I have some Pt, Pt & Rhodium & if someone wanted some I would sell for a premium above spot but I haven’t sold any cos no one is looking & my interest is acquiring. I bought two pieces of Pd on TSF & they are great. Physically Pd is grey, whereas Pt is more silver like. Pd is harder too & therefore more difficult to make as a coin. I have an MS70 & a PF69 & they are outstanding. finally Rhodium. Rh is a great catalyst & is not mined for itself. It’s found in the extraction process for other metals. Rhodium hit $12k an ounce about 13 years ago before falling dramatically back to $1000 or so only months later. Thinking that there must be something in this great element I bought 5 Oz. The price to $26k an ounce in Feb this year before dropping back to $15k or so where it sits to day. I was very lucky. I don’t think anyone can make £ out of Rh today as the bid / ask is big, there is vat & the market is tiny. But for me I own a few small pieces of one of the rarest elements on Earth. The total sum of Rh ever refined would fill 3 small sheds. Hope this is of interest and here is a pic of the set of these amazing elements in the next post Good luck Clive

Thanks Andrew I did and I recently bought 3 individually wrapped & presented 1g bars for £40 but I think it is a good deal though the bars don’t have the individual package . I am away till at least Monday so can’t arrange a BT . But it would be an opportunity … I have a Geiger run now from 1g >> 500g at least & the 1g bars could be useful collateral in something else did you sell the 1g Pd & Pt bars. I was going to buy a valcambi combination for both but actually the individually packaged small bars are more desirable I think Clive

I don’t think he sold it on here, but I think he did sell it. It was 1/2 Oz Baird if I recall. i sold one 1oz but after the ridicule I didn’t dare try & sell it on TSF. Not the right place. Some Pd pieces have sold on here recently though so there is some interest. I bought a 2017 USA 1oz piece which is really nice & the first year the US Mint issued a Pd. At this rate I can afford a Proof CB

I thought that too. I ‘hold’ two ounces of Rh but not as an investment , I am a pm collector do I need to have at least a bit of the rarest. The rise of BEVs does relate to Rh up trend & the cars cannot be built without chips so there is much reduced need. Kitco does have any ‘stories’ about Rh one way or the other & it’s market is a reflection of the demand I am following it though as it’s interesting. Pt is under £672 now & close to half the Au price

Morning everyone I have a collection of 7 different Geiger square bars & decided my next project is to extend this. I have no idea how many sizes there are, but I’d like to add 1,2,3 or 4 the ones I have are 5g, 10g, 20g, 1oz, 50g, 100g all silver 1oz bar in gold. if anyone has sizes that complemented these & wants to sell. If I get offered duplicates then I might make a second set for a present but my priority is to extend my own collection. thank you, CliveB13

Hi Silver Forum If any member has a Royal Albert proof DOMED with box & coa, they might like to sell, I’d be keen. Not graded. This is a birthday present for my wife and we had one of our greatest dates at The Albert Hall. Dave Gilmour. A reminder gift. there are several on eBay but if anyone wants to deal direct on a nice condition one, I’d be keen thanks Clive

Hi @LawrenceChard & others here is the chart for Pt in $ over the last 50 years. Pre Catalytic Converters, Pt was much cheaper with a sharp fall from its all time high c. $2100 after the GFC I collect Au, Pt, Pd & Rh. Pt hasn’t been a good investment but I am not an investor. I have some nice pieces. Pd & Rh have increased 4-20x from my main purchases but the market is very thin. I’d say a new use for Pt has to be found or a major problem at several mines for Pt to turn into an investment. The mine company shares might do better & are tradeable but I hold Glencoe only in that sector & they are Cu not Pt. C

Those of you who read & commented will be interested to know some of the detail I found out. @ilovesilverireallydohas confirmed the piece is very high quality Platinum. Turns out it is inscribed & was awarded to Dr AJ Kennedy in 1977. the reason it does not appear on the IOM3 list of Platinum award winners, is that the IOM3 only came into existence in 1982. In 1977 it was only Institute of Metallurgists (One of the 3 Ms) Dr , later Prof Kennedy was an expert in the nascent field of heat-resistant materials including graphite where he showed layers of graphite were much more heat distributive & resistant than a solid single layer. This had applications in aerospace and rocket technology advising NASA in the 60s He was awarded a CBE in 1979 & has an obituary at https://www.iom3archive.org.uk/fellows-lounge/feature/2011/jan/27/dr-alfred-james-kennedy-cbe-freng-fimmm-obit If all of the newer ones, from 1984 are silver coated with Rhodium, then it is even rarer than first thought. In 1977 the average price thru the year for an ounce of Platinum was $250 & with the exchange being around £1=$2.50 , an ounce was about £100 give it take.

In which case it is unique & historic. fabulous

That is a super interesting piece. The person who was the recipient would have made a significant contribution thru thoughts or deeds Wow

£43

I have both bought and sold PM products to/from Bleyer. I have found them to be excellent in terms of delivery, communication & overall satisfaction. The team is led by Caroline hope this helps C B

£140 Cmon England and Scotland Well done on organising this @AndrewSL76

Can I bid in a £1.18 increment to get to £21 ? If not £20.82 thank you lovely coin & presentation box