Melon

Start of my half sov run

Just purchased my most expensive coin to date skint now.
Single finest over both NGC & PCGS
 

Most of the people commenting don't have one, so lets not dismiss their views as "getting excited with all the profits"... 
As has been explained multiple times now, it doesn't really look like shill bidding at all. It just looks like bidding.
Just because you and I wouldn't buy something for £20k on eBay doesn't mean nobody would. Where else can someone buy it? eBay buyer protection is top notch though, I'd be more worried selling through eBay. 
 

Most of the people commenting don't have one, so lets not dismiss their views as "getting excited with all the profits"... 
As has been explained multiple times now, it doesn't really look like shill bidding at all. It just looks like bidding.
Just because you and I wouldn't buy something for £20k on eBay doesn't mean nobody would. Where else can someone buy it? eBay buyer protection is top notch though, I'd be more worried selling through eBay. 
 

One bidder can not simply raise the bid to £19k. To do that, another bidder must be bidding up to £18.9k+. This isn't shill bidding, it's just bidding - it's how eBay works - the person that bid the £18k figure would have had that as their max bid, someone else has come along and tried to beat it. It happens frequently (not on £20k coins of course, there aren't many of those!). 
The suspicion on a zero feedback bidder is legit, but not conclusive - everyone starts at zero feedback and as it's been said multiple times, the type of people buying a £20k coin may sign up for an account specifically for that purpose. Or they may well be a fraud, both bidders might be in on it, and actually no coin was sold - possible but we don't know for sure either way. 
What I personally think is wrong is when people assert that it is definitely shill bidding - by all means highlight the suspicion that it could be shill bidding, but let's avoid conclusions without facts. (by the way I'm not saying you did that - but some folk have)
(p.s. No I don't own one, nor will I be buying at £20k! 😂)

Most of the people commenting don't have one, so lets not dismiss their views as "getting excited with all the profits"... 
As has been explained multiple times now, it doesn't really look like shill bidding at all. It just looks like bidding.
Just because you and I wouldn't buy something for £20k on eBay doesn't mean nobody would. Where else can someone buy it? eBay buyer protection is top notch though, I'd be more worried selling through eBay. 
 

Most of the people commenting don't have one, so lets not dismiss their views as "getting excited with all the profits"... 
As has been explained multiple times now, it doesn't really look like shill bidding at all. It just looks like bidding.
Just because you and I wouldn't buy something for £20k on eBay doesn't mean nobody would. Where else can someone buy it? eBay buyer protection is top notch though, I'd be more worried selling through eBay. 
 

One bidder can not simply raise the bid to £19k. To do that, another bidder must be bidding up to £18.9k+. This isn't shill bidding, it's just bidding - it's how eBay works - the person that bid the £18k figure would have had that as their max bid, someone else has come along and tried to beat it. It happens frequently (not on £20k coins of course, there aren't many of those!). 
The suspicion on a zero feedback bidder is legit, but not conclusive - everyone starts at zero feedback and as it's been said multiple times, the type of people buying a £20k coin may sign up for an account specifically for that purpose. Or they may well be a fraud, both bidders might be in on it, and actually no coin was sold - possible but we don't know for sure either way. 
What I personally think is wrong is when people assert that it is definitely shill bidding - by all means highlight the suspicion that it could be shill bidding, but let's avoid conclusions without facts. (by the way I'm not saying you did that - but some folk have)
(p.s. No I don't own one, nor will I be buying at £20k! 😂)

Not so sure about the shill bidding, hard to say. As we all know, when you bid on eBay you can put in your max bid and it automatically bids up to that amount to secure the lead. Is it not possible that the high activity in a short period was simply a consequence of the existing leader having a high max bid set, and then another user placing a similar low bid but with a high maximum? They would automatically jump the price up right? 
 
Zero feedback is always suspicious, but similarly the type of person dropping 20k on this coin may not frequent eBay. 
 
Most suspicious is the same person winning multiple. That seems mega risky. 

Who dat? 😂

Makes me sad as I’m pretty sure the Royal Mint have issued a refund to my card for the damaged one I returned last week seeking a replacement 😫 
There’s a negative invoice sitting in my account. After they promised to call as well and give me options, not a great first experience with them!! 

Who dat? 😂

Bunch of proof stuff on HGM website that may interest someone. 8% over spot for the boxed sets, 7% over spot for the £5 proof and £2 proof, 5% over spot for the proof sovereign. 
I wonder who decided to sell a bunch of boxed proof sets over-the-counter below spot? 😬 
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/gold-sovereign-box-set-4-coin
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/british-five-pound-gold-coin-proof
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/3-coin-gold-sovereign-box-set
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/two-pound-double-sovereign-proof
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/gold-sovereign-proof-loose
 

Makes me sad as I’m pretty sure the Royal Mint have issued a refund to my card for the damaged one I returned last week seeking a replacement 😫 
There’s a negative invoice sitting in my account. After they promised to call as well and give me options, not a great first experience with them!! 

Makes me sad as I’m pretty sure the Royal Mint have issued a refund to my card for the damaged one I returned last week seeking a replacement 😫 
There’s a negative invoice sitting in my account. After they promised to call as well and give me options, not a great first experience with them!! 

Makes me sad as I’m pretty sure the Royal Mint have issued a refund to my card for the damaged one I returned last week seeking a replacement 😫 
There’s a negative invoice sitting in my account. After they promised to call as well and give me options, not a great first experience with them!! 

Bunch of proof stuff on HGM website that may interest someone. 8% over spot for the boxed sets, 7% over spot for the £5 proof and £2 proof, 5% over spot for the proof sovereign. 
I wonder who decided to sell a bunch of boxed proof sets over-the-counter below spot? 😬 
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/gold-sovereign-box-set-4-coin
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/british-five-pound-gold-coin-proof
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/3-coin-gold-sovereign-box-set
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/two-pound-double-sovereign-proof
https://www.hattongardenmetals.com/buy/gold-sovereign-proof-loose
 

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂

@sovereignsteve @Booky586 @ilovesilverireallydo @JunkBond @Pipers @1817Karl @richatthecroft @AuricGoldfinger @Stu @Notafront4adragon @Martlet @Seasider @1817Karl @dicker @silenceissilver
We have a conclusion!
First off, thank you all for your contributions. It's super helpful having a community like this to share knowledge. Sorry if I missed anyone! 
I took the coins back to the dealer today who was actually very good about it. Conclusion was; 
1915 - good! It's tests as 22ct, which is consistent with the suggested findings from the specific gravity test. It's weight is also good. Per the consensus on this thread, it appears it may have a mint error mark. The dealer had no concerns with it. 
1903 - not good! The chap barely had it in his hand a few seconds before scowling, apologising and saying it shouldn't have been sold. He didn't give much more information than that, but it's going for melt and I took another half home as a replacement (which weighs and measures good). 
p.s. If anyone tells me the below is a fake I may have a heart attack 😨😂