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59 minutes ago, Paul said:

Will it be this Monday 5ht Feb ? for the launch.  Must not be too far off now  

Never had a good queue in a while since Coronation Strike on the Day, day  and Coronation day  

No.

Think 'Love' 

No more clues

1 hour ago, NGMD said:

Might be worth mentioning the sizes and guideline prices if you know. Thanks.

The main ones people will be interested in will be the 2oz gold and silver versions, but there will also be some 5oz versions available. Prices I can't give except for the fact we will be no more expensive than the RRP and cheaper if possible.

23 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

You might say that 😆 but NGC really infuriate me with their inconsistant grading of shields.

I have to agree, their grading of shields is awful, they tend to be more concerned with fields than the actual detail. I have seen some graded as MS63 with no lions faces left!

1 hour ago, Brit2023 said:

Oh what’s the highest number

thanks

R7 is the highest rarity using Marsh's system 

1 hour ago, Orpster said:

The different type of shields

Type IA, all London no die or mint marks, 1837-1863 & 1872
Type IB, all London all have die numbers, 1863-1887 
Type IC, all Melbourne, all Mint Mark M, 1872-1887
Type ID, all Sydney, all Mint Mark S, 1871-1887

Years are not inclusive, so for example no 1875-1878 London shields

Type IB, all London all have die numbers, 1863-1874

No Shields were produced after 1874 in London, no production of sovereigns at  all in London for 1875 due to low demand, production resumed 1876 in London with G&D type only.

52 minutes ago, jultorsk said:

The above obscures the rarity of certified populations; e.g., Marsh rarity is R4 to the overdate and "only" R3 to medallic - imho there's more 1872/1-M's kicking around than the medallics.

You have to remember that die axis is not something that many people even collectors check, these may or may not be more common than originally thought?

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

Tbc but I'd speculate it'll be between 250-350 in 2oz gold 

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RM have now issued embargo information so I am not allowed to say much, but the mintages are low, and release is a few weeks away yet.

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

Many thanks 👍 that's greatly appreciated.

Hhhmmmmmmm I'm still not 100%sure to go for this. 

It would be a 2oz gold or nothing for me. I can get it on zero percent tick paying down 15% a month which make the £5k+  price somewhat more bearable

Got the others in 2oz gold bar petition crown set

Should I ? Please someone give pearls of wisdom for this. Or shall I just do a leap of faith and hope for the best I'm rewarded in a decade or two time 

 

I think you are right to be picky with what you buy, the market for modern coins is not in the place it was a couple of years ago. Its not helped by RM churning out new releases every 5 mins.

The problem the petition crown had is that its not that well known unless you are an avid collector, and TBH it looks better in silver than gold. RM were daft to release it as a 2 coin set, whether you are a silver or gold collector, it was a big chunk to pay out.

This new coin has a wel known design, it looks good in both silver and gold, and its going to be a single coin release, so my view be if this doesn't do reasonably well, nothing will in this market??

On 21/01/2024 at 16:47, Paul said:

Thank you 👍

I have checked today, there is still no official word to dealers on release date or mintages, the only word out in the public domain is that mailshot RM sent out last week.

In theory prooviding RM follow their own protocol, we are at least 2 weeks if not a month away from seeing these released.

3 hours ago, Paul said:

Will it be launching tomorrow?? 

Nope..

39 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

No, look at the A in Victoria and the first A in Gratia it’s unbarred.

I am sure I can see a weak bar :

14 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

An unbarred A In Gratia bottom coin 👍🏻

I don't think so, there looks be bar in both 'A's

6 hours ago, westminstrel said:

I guess I was asking whether dealers in general are permitted to divulge the embargo date if they receive it.

Its a difficult game, I have tried to play cat & mouse with new issues over the years, if there is an embargo date for coin information, officially I cannot even tell people the coin is going to exist, let alone the embargo date which would generally give away the release date as well. However information already in the public domain such as the proclamations and anything RM give away is fair game.

I am not allowed to take pre-orders, but can ask for people to register their interest for a known release such as the great engravers, what that really means is that you can have one, but can't pay for it until the day of release.

4 hours ago, SilverJacks said:

But since the Petition Crown was removed from sale as of 31/12/23, is there any confirmation that they actually produced the actual maximum mintage? I guess they might have done and bulk sold to dealers..

Naturally, they would have off loaded as many of the remaining coins to dealers, so sales could continue after 31/12/23, I don't know but I suspect they will have been offering good discounts to get shot of the stuff?

3 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Are dealers allowed to divulge WHEN the embargo is issued? Or is that also off limits?

RM dealers are given a data sheet of any new coin due out, that gives embargo dates for the information and when the coin will / can be sold, sometimes they are the same date. On some issues you get information or the chance to register your interest in advance, and others just appear for sale out of the blue, on the great engravers RM have announced the coin prior to sending any information to their dealers.

So at this time there is nothing to embargo, all the information known is in the public domain .

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

Probably not Monday as that's the day the final star wars 50p is being released.

Certain;y not Monday, the issue is still a couple of weeks away, the Mint has not yet issued its embargo to dealers giving prices and mintages etc.

It's interesting that the Mint sent out the 'register now' email before telling any of their dealers of the release, so I don't think the coins are due for a few weeks?

We are inviting our customers to register their interest in these as we do expect to get some form of allocation. I don't think the Mint would burn their fingers again with a 2 coin set after the last time, so this will surely be as above 1818 crown reverse with Charles III 2024 obverse.

13 minutes ago, JoeBlack said:

Thank you for your reply, having the type 2 above now in hand, I do not think its actually a rotated C, which is the only reason I purchased it. londoncoins.co.uk and others are claiming it is. My camera is rubbish so I will see what I can show when the light is better tomorrow but there are a few I took earlier on an old I-phone and the original photo. It seems to look different from every angle

Original

This looks to be C over rotated C, and as you can see quite messy compared to your original type 1 example.

6 hours ago, JoeBlack said:

I am trying to find more information on the 1861 rotated C in Victoria variety sovereign. Is there any way to check the variants identified. Are there two or more types?

Type 1: The Bentley collection listed one type with a 90 deg clockwise rotation on the "C" which also had an R over R error. The Marsh book pictures this "C" over 90 Deg C as 44B (R2), Spink Book does not show a picture. I have seen several of this version online. 

 

Type 2: Different from the above where the "C" seems inverted 180 deg possibly, all this version I have seen have over stamps on the Victoria V, I and date also a die crack at D in DEI.

 

Also someone selling this second version here - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125735351145?hash=item1d46693369:g:gBsAAOSwV0Bjz-qL&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwMWOPf1yL%2BY50u1%2B5NRbCLei6CwNWuJ93U%2BKW%2B0yNKhkO%2Bn3oGP2NjZSxMl79%2F7vYyZbTuDy4vtBqVShHxrZj5jM6JL1nUYPvq%2FbK6l%2BTWK1B2cpSKzpehsLhiP3xy00on9OW26BkJER4WHq4NuzCO4nsgZm8BluSv1ABi9wg4RfNIk5%2BX2Jp%2FyVQqtoLHTYnANiiAY%2BCMjw%2F3LGKDCrTjV90uD5PG1Ybn4SShM9y0zey%2FmqXak6%2BTITAg3VjjEY7g%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9rNusKaYw

 

The reason I ask is I purchased a Type 2 above thinking it was the one referred to in Spink and Marsh books but now realize the type 2 is probably a different version? My first shield and was hoping for some input and also value of type 2

I had a close look at this (second coin), but I can't confirm it as a C over rotated C TBH, there looks to be overstriking of V - I and C almost back inline with the rest of the letters struck correctly. Although there does appear to be a possible tail on the C it doesn't really suggest that this coin is anything special.

Coin 1 is a classic C over rotated C, and actually quite neat compared to some of the bodge jobs I have seen with these.

7 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Inverted 7/4

I am still with the Rabbit over 4 TBH 😀

On 23/12/2023 at 14:55, westminstrel said:

Sexy new coin but not sure what it really is.

PROCLAMATION:

For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · D · G · REX · F · D · 10 POUNDS ·” and the date of the year,

and for the reverse a depiction of St George, armed, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a sword, and a broken spear upon the ground with the inscription “HONI · SOIT · QUI · MAL · Y · PENSE”. The coin shall have a plain edge and in excuse letters the inscription “DECUS ET TUTAMEN · ANNO REGNI II ·”.’

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4503115

DENOMINATIONS:

- Gold 5kg, 2kg, 1kg, 5oz, 2oz

- Silver 1kg, 5oz, 2oz and 10oz piedfort

 

MY COMMENTS:

Can’t be a Sovereign because of the specification of the denomination in the coins, their weights, and the variations in metal.

Also not sure if it is part of the Great Engravers series, because William Wyon’s St. George and the Dragon does not have the garter inscription (the circumscription is TREU UND FEST), nor does it have the edge inscription, as far as I know. The Garter design is by Benedetto Pistrucci (more below).

Finally, ANNO REGNI II means the Second Year of the Monarch’s Reign, meaning (to be very literal) September 2023 to August 2024 of King Charles’ reign.

Benedetto Pistrucci’s 1820 £2 pattern Sovereign does have an edge inscription of DECUS ET TUTAMEN • ANNO REGNI LX which was the 60th year of the Reign of King George III in 1820; however to complicate matters, this pattern coin does NOT have the Garter inscription. The 1819/19 Crown by Benedetto Pistrucci does have both the Garter and edge inscriptions.

So, my deduction is perhaps that this coin does after all continue the Great Engravers series (or maybe the Royal Mint finally caught on to my idea and is doing a series of St. George and the Dragon designs!), and they’ve combined the £1 Sovereign’s Garter design with the edge inscription from the £2 Sovereign to come up with a representative sample of Benedetto Pistrucci’s work. 

I am pretty confident this is the next coin in the great engravers series. It looks to be based on the Crown with edge inscription relating to 2nd year of Charles III reign.

The gold coins are 999.9 gold and the big givaway is that there is no gold 1 ounce version 👍

Happy Christmas to you all.

I wonder what the forum makes of this date error in my 1847 sovereign, any ideas?

11 hours ago, Charliemouse said:

That is beautiful.  I am trying to read the date on mine.  Maybe 1667.  I will have a look with the microscope tomorrow, and try to pin it down.

Its certainly 60's 2nd bust, it does look like a 7? 

I know some on here like there modern coins, but just to hold a peice like this, you can almost feel the history.