This guinea looks too good?

[stackerp5]

Not a guinea expert by any means but this looks a bit too good ?

It's a screenshot of the original because I'm on mobile only now. 

Seller sent me this coin after he accepted my offer for a 2.5 pesos coin. Luckily I got a sigma so I'll test my 2.5 pesos as I feel a bit sussed out. But i could be wrong. It may just be a well kept one?

[stackerp5]

Closer screenshots

 

[James32]

Colour looks off, but that could just be the photography. 

@ZRPMs @Leonmarsh @dicker @richatthecroft

[Petra]

If that’s been mounted for any length of time wouldn’t you expect to see some wear, even if only mainly on one side?🤔

[dicker]

From a very quick look it seems ok to me.

[ZRPMs]

Very difficult with only pictures. To me, On the obverse, George's head, the wear doesn't seam to match the writing and the reverse shield doesn't seem to have the same level of wear, It just feels a little off. However it could just be the pictures. If you could get it to a local jewellers or coin shop for them to have a look at it. I think that might be a prudent move. It may be that it has been in the mount a long time and the raised mount ring has protected the writing. Looking at mine as a comparison I would get it looked at locally to be on the safe side. 

[Spyder]

You have a Sigma so at least test it for gold. It is unusual to have a soldered frame with what looks like a loose coin inside.  Can you take photos of the edge. 

It looks the same a mine with a lot less wear so if genuine, you have got a result.

[stackerp5]

I did not buy this guinea, so I unfortunately can't send any additional pictures.

But it was offered to me after I paid for an item on ebay, which I found suspicious.

I agree if the coin is genuine and has been stored loosely, it could potentially look like that, but something about the picture is not enticing me to buy it! I appreciate everyone's input!  

[Spyder]

17 minutes ago, stackerp5 said:

I did not buy this guinea, so I unfortunately can't send any additional pictures.

But it was offered to me after I paid for an item on ebay, which I found suspicious.

I agree if the coin is genuine and has been stored loosely, it could potentially look like that, but something about the picture is not enticing me to buy it! I appreciate everyone's input!  

What have you to lose, if it is fake, you will get your money back from eBay as long as you buy it on the platform

[Petra]

I have done this with watches on eBay, bought, in hand found it was a fake, returned, money back…. just disappointed. May be worth a shot?🤔🤔

[Booky586]

If it hasn't been listed properly and is offered outside of eBay you won't get any buyer protection, rightly to be wary of a scam!

[GoldDiggerDave]

Looks mounted to me......On a positive note its not and ex-mount yet. 

[Zhorro]

1 hour ago, Spyder said:

You have a Sigma so at least test it for gold. It is unusual to have a soldered frame with what looks like a loose coin inside.  Can you take photos of the edge. 

It looks the same a mine with a lot less wear so if genuine, you have got a result.

I don't think it does look like your example!  When you look at the magnified picture, to me, it seems that the bottom of the letter are flat unlike yours were there is an indent in the feet of the letters.  Also the shape of the nose looks to be different.

[Spyder]

2 hours ago, Zhorro said:

I don't think it does look like your example!  When you look at the magnified picture, to me, it seems that the bottom of the letter are flat unlike yours were there is an indent in the feet of the letters.  Also the shape of the nose looks to be different.

I think you are correct, good spot. The letters in mine do seem more in a classical style where the one in the OP photo seems more modern.  I did not zoom in on that photo

[SidS]

On 27/02/2024 at 18:13, Spyder said:

I do love a guinea!

[Britannia47]

On 27/02/2024 at 14:42, stackerp5 said:

Closer screenshots

 

Any idea why Robert001 is showing exact same photo and asking for its value - says he/she has inherited it ?!
Also I can’t read the date. Looks like 1704 which is impossible, 1794 with an odd 9 perhaps? Is someone telling ‘porkies?’

Casino token is my best guess!

 

[Petra]

31 minutes ago, Britannia47 said:

Any idea why Robert001 is showing exact same photo and asking for its value - says he/she has inherited it ?!
Also I can’t read the date. Looks like 1704 which is impossible, 1794 with an odd 9 perhaps? Is someone telling ‘porkies?’

Casino token is my best guess!

 

🤔it’s a 0🤔 @Robert001🤔?

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[dicker]

Oh the intrigue…

[Robert001]

How odd. - I only joined the forum at Stackerp5’s suggestion so it seems a bit harsh to suggest otherwise. I inherited the peso, the, Guinea, a sovereign, a sacagewea  dollar and 2 1967 one penny coins. I did indeed take these to a local jeweller who confirmed all genuine and purchased the sovereign but could not take the guinea due to the mount I asked Stackerp5 about the guinea precisely because he purchased the peso - I assumed an interest in coins. If there is a problem with the peso he only has to let me know which he can do through eBay.

So sorry no intrigue just a simple question from someone who knows very little about coins.

[ZRPMs]

6 minutes ago, Robert001 said:

How odd. - I only joined the forum at Stackerp5’s suggestion so it seems a bit harsh to suggest otherwise. I inherited the peso, the, Guinea, a sovereign, a sacagewea  dollar and 2 1967 one penny coins. I did indeed take these to a local jeweller who confirmed all genuine and purchased the sovereign but could not take the guinea due to the mount I asked Stackerp5 about the guinea precisely because he purchased the peso - I assumed an interest in coins. If there is a problem with the peso he only has to let me know which he can do through eBay.

So sorry no intrigue just a simple question from someone who knows very little about coins.

If you could take the Guinea to be checked it would confirm one way or another. Photos are no substitute to having the coin in hand. The wear on the obverse seems a little out the normal wear in comparison to the reverse to what I've seen before. However this could be that its been in the mount for quite some time and the person that owned it would rub just the one face whilst wearing it. I noticed my daughter the other day fiddling with her necklace and now I see her doing it all the time. Not really noticed it before.

I have come across replica / fake sovereigns in the past that contained a higher amount of gold than 22ct also. 

People here, I don't think, would say something was not genuine for any other reason than the interest in the coin its self, or to help safe guard a fellow member. On some levels coins similar to this exude more intrigue. Is it genuine? How did it wear like that? Where has it been? They defiantly present more questions than, lets say, a verified coin. Whilst it 's never nice to discover a replica / fake / reproduction. It is, in my opinion better to know one way or another.

I would also say, please don't feel offended by any comments and don't be put off from the forum. It's a great place with like minded folk and a treasure trove of knowledge. But you will only get out what you put in. Meaning the more you interact and comment the more content you will find useful to you. Myself, I'd been collecting for many years before joining and for the coins I collect I had regarded myself clued up enough for my purposes. Yet since joining the forum I've certainly increased my knowledge base and made a few friends to boot. 

Get it checked. Any jeweller / numismatic worth their salt won't be put off by the mount when the coin is in hand and should be able to tell you.

[Robert001]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. No offence taken, I simply wanted clear the apparent confusion. The coin is not loose and is held in some form of resin. I know that the pedant passed from my grandmother to mother so I am confident in at least 100 years provenance. The jeweller also told me it is genuine. Beyond that, I have no idea.

[ZRPMs]

6 minutes ago, Robert001 said:

Thank you for taking the time to respond. No offence taken, I simply wanted clear the apparent confusion. The coin is not loose and is held in some form of resin. I know that the pedant passed from my grandmother to mother so I am confident in at least 100 years provenance. The jeweller also told me it is genuine. Beyond that, I have no idea.

Keep as an heirloom. Pass on the provenance to the next generation, but get them interested in it also. My little one is as interested in my collection almost as much as me. I think it's part of passing it on. I'm fortunate enough to have a small parcel of land that has been through 3 generations to get to me to make me the 4th. I hope to pass on not just the cold inanimate item /s but also the story. I do have a sovereign in a pendant that belonged to my grandmother. That will most defiantly be passed on and hopefully won't end up in Cash Generators.

[Spyder]

If the jeweller said it was geniune, they surely would have made an offer regardless if it is incased in some resin frame( shame that it was not in a loose mount). I know of no jewellers that would not offer on a geniune Guinea coin. 

You can always take a journey into Hatton Garden district of London and I am sure many jewellers there can test it for you.