NEW St. George and the Dragon coin with Garter inscription

[westminstrel]

13 hours ago, Chrisplym said:

Thanks @westminstrel.

Do you have a summary of the 2oz silver mintages as well please? 

2oz silver mintages:

- Una and the Lion: 3000

- Three Graces: 3510

- Gothic Crown Portrait: 4256

- Gothic Crown Quartered Arms: 4006

- Petition Crown: 3260

Edited January 9 by westminstrel

[GoldDiggerDave]

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[GoldDiggerDave]

On 23/12/2023 at 17:20, Britannia47 said:

Exactly what I was thinking!

The Pistrucci ‘George & Dragon’ has never been seen on a gold coin other than a sovereign!  So is this the beginning of the end of this awful 22ct gold used on todays sovereigns?

Probably not, because the proposed sizes and specs are in excess of the current 5 sizes. However, I see this as a step in the right direction to use 9999 gold throughout. I personally don’t care about ‘tradition’ in this case. The RM departed from tradition itself by using ‘red gold’ after the Gillicks. Today, durability for circulation is not an issue. I would really like to see a sovereign minted in 9999 gold, looking very similar to a 1/4 oz Brit. or QB perhaps. A few years ago I was shot down on TSF for daring to suggest it!  Feel free to add more ‘flak’ in my general direction…..a great supporter of the Sovereign.😢

If these come with the same finish as the Gothic's its going to be a stunner.

[Sc391]

@Chrisplym from the RM website 2 ounce silver mintages

Petition Crown 2 coin set.         3250

Gothic Portrait                            4000

Gothic QA.                                    3750

Three Graces.                             3500

Una.                                              3000

[Chrisplym]

Thanks @westminstrel and @Sc391. Much appreciated.

Anyone want to guess the 2oz silver mintage of the next release? I think it may go back to 3,000.

[westminstrel]

6 hours ago, Sc391 said:

@Chrisplym from the RM website 2 ounce silver mintages

Petition Crown 2 coin set.         3250

Gothic Portrait                            4000

Gothic QA.                                    3750

Three Graces.                             3500

Una.                                              3000

Hey mate, these are the presentation numbers. I’ve posted the max coin mintages above. They are slightly higher is some cases. The actual may be different than all of the above. 🙂

[Sc391]

The real number I’m concerned with is my place in the queue.  At 1am (California) time I’m always hoping for a low number for an easy in and out and back to bed.

[westminstrel]

55 minutes ago, Sc391 said:

The real number I’m concerned with is my place in the queue.  At 1am (California) time I’m always hoping for a low number for an easy in and out and back to bed.

Reach out to @GoldDiggerDave and damn the queue. 😀

[westminstrel]

So is it Monday? 👀 

[Paul]

On 10/01/2024 at 03:36, Sc391 said:

The real number I’m concerned with is my place in the queue.  At 1am (California) time I’m always hoping for a low number for an easy in and out and back to bed.

Most likely still be available when you wake up

the last release "the petition crown" never even sold out by Dec 31st 2023 

[paulmerton]

2 hours ago, westminstrel said:

So is it Monday? 👀 

Probably not Monday as that's the day the final star wars 50p is being released.

[Allgoldcoins]

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

Probably not Monday as that's the day the final star wars 50p is being released.

Certain;y not Monday, the issue is still a couple of weeks away, the Mint has not yet issued its embargo to dealers giving prices and mintages etc.

[apachebleu]

On 08/01/2024 at 15:55, Paul said:

i'm still on the fence with it - couldn't justify going five figures in debt for the Petition crown set in gold. 

It looks like it may have been the correct choice given it didn't sell out

I'm just not sure if the ship has now sailed with the GE series and given this new release just a rehash of something pretty common, its got more cons than pros to me at present - i don't know, what to do for the best  

 The petition crown was a weird release because on the secondary market you know nobody's buying those big golds unless they are pr70 however slabbing it defeats the actual point of the coin and the very cool mint presentation box.

 I do think the great engravers is done from a flipping/profit side which some may see as a good thing that they will go to true collectors. However the flip side is will true collectors want a reproduction of something they can actually get?

 Una and the lion was unobtainable unless your pronouns were sheik/your highness so a reproduction made sense however as we get in to coins like gothic crown etc. If you can afford the big gold ones you can afford an original so it removes that raison d'etre. 

[Sc391]

I like the idea of seeing St G & D in a larger format like 2 oz, 5 oz - I think the larger format and modern minting techniques will bring out aspects of the design we haven’t been able to see before.

[westminstrel]

13 hours ago, Allgoldcoins said:

Certain;y not Monday, the issue is still a couple of weeks away, the Mint has not yet issued its embargo to dealers giving prices and mintages etc.

Are dealers allowed to divulge WHEN the embargo is issued? Or is that also off limits?

[westminstrel]

10 hours ago, apachebleu said:

 The petition crown was a weird release because on the secondary market you know nobody's buying those big golds unless they are pr70 however slabbing it defeats the actual point of the coin and the very cool mint presentation box.

 I do think the great engravers is done from a flipping/profit side which some may see as a good thing that they will go to true collectors. However the flip side is will true collectors want a reproduction of something they can actually get?

 Una and the lion was unobtainable unless your pronouns were sheik/your highness so a reproduction made sense however as we get in to coins like gothic crown etc. If you can afford the big gold ones you can afford an original so it removes that raison d'etre. 

Yeah I totally haven’t got the point of grading this set especially given the holders hide the edge, which is where the whole appeal lies.

You may get a 70 but you’ll never truly appreciate the craft.

I was privileged to see the 2oz gold in real life and it is admittedly a lovely set.

Indeed the best coins in this release will eventually be the ones whose originals are unattainable. Looking back, some of the “duds” could well become the key coins in the series.

IMO it really comes down to mintages at this point. I’m eagerly waiting to see the mintages for this next one as it is a popular design and the RM could well be tempted not to lower mintages because they will likely sell anyway. 

[Chrisplym]

I believe that NGC made special slabs to show the edge. This is at least true for the 2oz silver.

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, Chrisplym said:

I believe that NGC made special slabs to show the edge. This is at least true for the 2oz silver.

Oh I didn’t know this. If they did, it’s pretty cool. 😎

[paulmerton]

2 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Are dealers allowed to divulge WHEN the embargo is issued? Or is that also off limits?

There are only two rules to Embargo Club...

[GoldDiggerDave]

2 hours ago, Chrisplym said:

I believe that NGC made special slabs to show the edge. This is at least true for the 2oz silver.

I love the relief edge lettering on £2 sovereigns of old, this is what the RM needs to do with 5 coin sets to give them exclusivity. 
 

 

[Allgoldcoins]

3 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Are dealers allowed to divulge WHEN the embargo is issued? Or is that also off limits?

RM dealers are given a data sheet of any new coin due out, that gives embargo dates for the information and when the coin will / can be sold, sometimes they are the same date. On some issues you get information or the chance to register your interest in advance, and others just appear for sale out of the blue, on the great engravers RM have announced the coin prior to sending any information to their dealers.

So at this time there is nothing to embargo, all the information known is in the public domain .

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

There are only two rules to Embargo Club...

Hmm, but we know dealers get embargoes - that’s not really a secret is it? 🤔 

6 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

RM dealers are given a data sheet of any new coin due out, that gives embargo dates for the information and when the coin will / can be sold, sometimes they are the same date. On some issues you get information or the chance to register your interest in advance, and others just appear for sale out of the blue, on the great engravers RM have announced the coin prior to sending any information to their dealers.

So at this time there is nothing to embargo, all the information known is in the public domain .

Thanks for the explanation. 🙂

[westminstrel]

I guess I was asking whether dealers in general are permitted to divulge the embargo date if they receive it.

[SilverJacks]

21 hours ago, Paul said:

Most likely still be available when you wake up

the last release "the petition crown" never even sold out by Dec 31st 2023 

Does this mean the Petition Crown is probably the lowest mintage in the series then? 

[westminstrel]

3 minutes ago, SilverJacks said:

Does this mean the Petition Crown is probably the lowest mintage in the series then? 

The RM releases proof coin mintages a couple years after their release, so we’ll likely not know for a few years.