How will silver help against CBDC’s

[GoldDiggerDave]

 

[LemmyMcGregor]

8 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

 

It's a good point, and I'll add, it is useful for the government as well to keep us divided, as if we're too busy arguing with each other we don't have time to argue for stuff that really matters. Divide and conquer.

[HillWalkerDundee]

1 hour ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

I am pure carnivore, as in I literally don't eat plant food, only meat, eggs and butter, I find that I hardly fart at all, except for when I have plant food because I'm at some social occasion, in which case I fart like an animal and get bloated.

When you consider the reasons it actually makes sense, as most gas is produced when bacteria have to deal with undigested fibre, which is absent on a carnivore diet and the only gases are produced usually by the digestion process itself. It is a well known fact that adding fibre to a diet causes excessive flatulence, if you live on plants it means that everything you eat has fibre, you do the math.

 

On the first part, it is not wrong, there is plenty of evidence and is the leading theory. I'm not sure what to say about the second part...

Sorry, my comment was tongue in cheek 🙂

[EdwardTeach]

  

28 minutes ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

It's a good point, and I'll add, it is useful for the government as well to keep us divided, as if we're too busy arguing with each other we don't have time to argue for stuff that really matters. Divide and conquer.

The lyrics to this song sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBNwGHPZ2M&t=162s

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by EdwardTeach

[PhilOdgny]

1 hour ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

 

The culture war raged for years before the legacy media picked up on it.  It is still going on but yes, most people couldn't care less just as they didn't before the legacy media picked up on it.

To say "There Is No Culture War" is utter nonsense because there clearly is, but then it is just clickbaiting in the same way as the organisations he is complaining about.

Did he also do a "Cancel Culture Does Not Exist" routine?  Wouldn't surprise me as he clearly didn't get cancelled unlike so very many comedians.

[PhilOdgny]

1 hour ago, EdwardTeach said:

  

The lyrics to this song sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCBNwGHPZ2M&t=162s

 

Tom MacDonald has alot of tracks that perfectly sum up what is and has been going on in the world lately.  Sheeple is another one.

[LemmyMcGregor]

41 minutes ago, PhilOdgny said:

Tom MacDonald has alot of tracks that perfectly sum up what is and has been going on in the world lately.  Sheeple is another one.

Whiteboy, Snowflakes (video with Blaire White 🤣), Coronavirus, No Lives Matter, plenty more, I think I started listening to him when he came out with People So Stupid, with the best line ever: "we grew up watching South Park, how are we offended"?

 

[PhilOdgny]

9 minutes ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

Whiteboy, Snowflakes (video with Blaire White 🤣), Coronavirus, No Lives Matter, plenty more, I think I started listening to him when he came out with People So Stupid, with the best line ever: "we grew up watching South Park, how are we offended"?

 

Not heard that one before but you are right!

I'm wondering whether these songs are enough to red-pill anyone though or whether they only appeal to those already red-pilled?

[LemmyMcGregor]

11 minutes ago, PhilOdgny said:

Not heard that one before but you are right!

I'm wondering whether these songs are enough to red-pill anyone though or whether they only appeal to those already red-pilled?

My mate loves him and is not really red pilled, through pandemic kept telling me to get the jab, but he likes him as he doesn't like the "I'm offended" culture.

[FourNinesFine]

2 minutes ago, PhilOdgny said:

I'm wondering whether these songs are enough to red-pill anyone though or whether they only appeal to those already red-pilled?

I've been following this thread with interest and your comment seemed like a good jumping in point.

No, I don't think it will be enough - broadly speaking. The 'red pill' analogy is the perfect one, obviously. But like in the Matrix, the problem to be overcome IMO is that people need to be actively pulled out by someone. There's just too much Matrix to overcome otherwise.

I'm not too proud to admit that I'm massively guilty of being one of the naive ones for many years. Of belonging to the 'that's too horrible to be true' or 'I'll give them the benefit of the doubt' brigade. And that's how its seeded, as many on this thread have suggested. Under the guise of something 'honorable' or 'necessary'. Such as: We need to restrict movement in certain areas because of auto-emissions and global warming. We need to go cashless because of the virus. We need bank controlled digital currency to combat fraud.

And the majority of people accept this... partly because it lines up with the approved narrative, partly because they can't comprehend a soveriegn government acting against the interests of its citizens - and partly because even if they did believe that, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand.

I'm now very sceptical about most things. Certainly those things that are part of the mainstream narrative. But it's not easy. Information is currency now and it's tightly packaged. And it's not helped when stories such as 'Chinese Digital Yuan having an expiry date' (for instance) are hosted on the same page as UFO-sightings.

I now wonder what really can be done. Acting en masse won't happen, as per the above. Is it about thhe minority groups organising bettter? Or just getting your own house in order and hoping you've done enough to weather whatever's coming?

Not looking to derail this thread. Happy to receive input, info and links throuugh DMs.

 

FNF

[LemmyMcGregor]

16 minutes ago, FourNinesFine said:

I've been following this thread with interest and your comment seemed like a good jumping in point.

No, I don't think it will be enough - broadly speaking. The 'red pill' analogy is the perfect one, obviously. But like in the Matrix, the problem to be overcome IMO is that people need to be actively pulled out by someone. There's just too much Matrix to overcome otherwise.

I'm not too proud to admit that I'm massively guilty of being one of the naive ones for many years. Of belonging to the 'that's too horrible to be true' or 'I'll give them the benefit of the doubt' brigade. And that's how its seeded, as many on this thread have suggested. Under the guise of something 'honorable' or 'necessary'. Such as: We need to restrict movement in certain areas because of auto-emissions and global warming. We need to go cashless because of the virus. We need bank controlled digital currency to combat fraud.

And the majority of people accept this... partly because it lines up with the approved narrative, partly because they can't comprehend a soveriegn government acting against the interests of its citizens - and partly because even if they did believe that, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand.

I'm now very sceptical about most things. Certainly those things that are part of the mainstream narrative. But it's not easy. Information is currency now and it's tightly packaged. And it's not helped when stories such as 'Chinese Digital Yuan having an expiry date' (for instance) are hosted on the same page as UFO-sightings.

I now wonder what really can be done. Acting en masse won't happen, as per the above. Is it about thhe minority groups organising bettter? Or just getting your own house in order and hoping you've done enough to weather whatever's coming?

Not looking to derail this thread. Happy to receive input, info and links throuugh DMs.

 

FNF

Get your house in order and connect with like minded folks, simple as.

PS. And keep an open mind, be a critical thinker, which is the key, always make your own research and ask yourself if it makes sense.

Edited December 14, 2022 by LemmyMcGregor

[Bigmarc]

17 minutes ago, FourNinesFine said:

And the majority of people accept this... partly because it lines up with the approved narrative, partly because they can't comprehend a soveriegn government acting against the interests of its citizens - and partly because even if they did believe that, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand

The majority of people just don't care. I partly think it's a good way to be. Why stress over things that you have no ability to change. 

[PhilOdgny]

34 minutes ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

My mate loves him and is not really red pilled, through pandemic kept telling me to get the jab, but he likes him as he doesn't like the "I'm offended" culture.

That's a start 🙂 We all have to start somewhere by recognising something is "off".

[PhilOdgny]

8 minutes ago, Bigmarc said:

The majority of people just don't care. I partly think it's a good way to be. Why stress over things that you have no ability to change. 

When most people are suffering sky high energy bills and food price hikes ... what would make them awake from their slumber and realise these things are not by accident but by design and/or incompetence?  Another 50%, 100% on energy prices?  We are supposed to live in a democracy and our votes are supposed to have the power to make changes to how we are governed (not ruled!, governed).  If voting makes no difference and people know that it makes no difference does anarchy then ensue?

[Bigmarc]

29 minutes ago, PhilOdgny said:

When most people are suffering sky high energy bills and food price hikes ... what would make them awake from their slumber and realise these things are not by accident but by design and/or incompetence?

Nothing, just work out a way of paying it and carry on. I tell you one thing is they don't blame the government, they just wait for the government to step in and help. They won't even question why or Google a chart. And to be honest it's pointless doing so. 

Last 20 years natural gas price. What's all the drama about? Maybe oil? 

Nope. 

 

 

[PhilOdgny]

5 minutes ago, Bigmarc said:

I tell you one thing is they don't blame the government, they just wait for the government to step in and help.

And right there is the con ... governments are supposed to serve their people, no-one else.  The reality is that they actually serve a higher power ... take your pick but my guess is currently the WEF which even our new king of the UK has shown allegiance to.

[LemmyMcGregor]

16 minutes ago, Bigmarc said:

Nothing, just work out a way of paying it and carry on. I tell you one thing is they don't blame the government, they just wait for the government to step in and help. They won't even question why or Google a chart. And to be honest it's pointless doing so. 

Last 20 years natural gas price. What's all the drama about? Maybe oil? 

Nope. 

 

 

I've had the argument countless times, they have been indoctrinated to believe that the prolem is the lack of regulations, in heavily regulated markets, you can see the confusion in their eyes once you point it out.

Take the banks, the housing bubble was caused when the state intervened and forced the banks to alter their requirements, at that points they created the catastrophe and when it all went down, through more regulations, banks were bailed out.

They complain that we need more regulations because there are not enough houses and they cost too much, yet, there are not enough houses and they cost too much because of state regulations, because once you buy land you need permission to build anything and when you do big builds the councils want their cut, they demand that they are given council housing as a share of the build, and obviously they raise the price of the other units. But obviously the useful idiots complain that is all the fault of the capitalist greed, meanwhile their greedy arses demand that the state provides to them for free.

[Bigmarc]

8 hours ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

I've had the argument countless times, they have been indoctrinated to believe that the prolem is the lack of regulations, in heavily regulated markets, you can see the confusion in their eyes once you point it out.

Take the banks, the housing bubble was caused when the state intervened and forced the banks to alter their requirements, at that points they created the catastrophe and when it all went down, through more regulations, banks were bailed out.

They complain that we need more regulations because there are not enough houses and they cost too much, yet, there are not enough houses and they cost too much because of state regulations, because once you buy land you need permission to build anything and when you do big builds the councils want their cut, they demand that they are given council housing as a share of the build, and obviously they raise the price of the other units. But obviously the useful idiots complain that is all the fault of the capitalist greed, meanwhile their greedy arses demand that the state provides to them for free.

I just don't talk about it anymore and keep my view to myself. By the time people get to my age they are so deep rooted in their belief system that they are hardly going to listen to me. My inner circle of friends are non voter's that don't bother themselves with politics. My family are all labour voters that have never read a manifesto and vote because generations above them voted the same. When COVID first came about and people were empting the shelves of pasta and flour, do you think they have changed their habits because of it? All forgotten about is what I think. There is no community and the majority are in it for themselves. I take one of my children to great ormand street quiet regularly. He is quiet visibly disabled and his mobility is not brilliant. In the beginning we would walk 8 carriages looking for a seat and nothing, just hundreds of people looking the other way (he is 5). We don't bother anymore, just stand and look out the window. That is my analogy of what society has become. The question is, if I was on my own, and someone struggling was looking for a seat, would I give mine up? In theory yes, in reality probably not.

[LemmyMcGregor]

I don't really do it to change minds, when you have a belief your mind can't be changed, telling a Socialist that the State is the problem is like telling a Christian that God doesn't exist, in the absence of God they have made the State their religion, simple as. If you want an example, look at the worshipping of the NHS, the seal clapping every thursday was straight out of Orwell.

What I have noticed though, is that there are many that do disagree but they are cowards, speaking means standing out and there is safety in the herd, so they keep their heads downto go unnoticed; they are the reason why I speak up, so that they know that they are not alone.

[EdwardTeach]

13 hours ago, FourNinesFine said:

I've been following this thread with interest and your comment seemed like a good jumping in point.

No, I don't think it will be enough - broadly speaking. The 'red pill' analogy is the perfect one, obviously. But like in the Matrix, the problem to be overcome IMO is that people need to be actively pulled out by someone. There's just too much Matrix to overcome otherwise.

I'm not too proud to admit that I'm massively guilty of being one of the naive ones for many years. Of belonging to the 'that's too horrible to be true' or 'I'll give them the benefit of the doubt' brigade. And that's how its seeded, as many on this thread have suggested. Under the guise of something 'honorable' or 'necessary'. Such as: We need to restrict movement in certain areas because of auto-emissions and global warming. We need to go cashless because of the virus. We need bank controlled digital currency to combat fraud.

And the majority of people accept this... partly because it lines up with the approved narrative, partly because they can't comprehend a soveriegn government acting against the interests of its citizens - and partly because even if they did believe that, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand.

I'm now very sceptical about most things. Certainly those things that are part of the mainstream narrative. But it's not easy. Information is currency now and it's tightly packaged. And it's not helped when stories such as 'Chinese Digital Yuan having an expiry date' (for instance) are hosted on the same page as UFO-sightings.

I now wonder what really can be done. Acting en masse won't happen, as per the above. Is it about thhe minority groups organising bettter? Or just getting your own house in order and hoping you've done enough to weather whatever's coming?

Not looking to derail this thread. Happy to receive input, info and links throuugh DMs.

 

FNF

This channel is by a US bullion dealer who interviews a different professional person everyday. The people they interview come from a wide range of different professions but they are all economically very knowledgeable and there is much to be learnt from them about our current situations as things unfold in real time. They also regularly cover a lot of the other non-financial aspects about becoming self-dependant including prepping and how to survive various situations such as long-term food shortages or blackouts:

https://rumble.com/c/LibertyandFinance

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by EdwardTeach

[EdwardTeach]

15 hours ago, FourNinesFine said:

I've been following this thread with interest and your comment seemed like a good jumping in point.

No, I don't think it will be enough - broadly speaking. The 'red pill' analogy is the perfect one, obviously. But like in the Matrix, the problem to be overcome IMO is that people need to be actively pulled out by someone. There's just too much Matrix to overcome otherwise.

I'm not too proud to admit that I'm massively guilty of being one of the naive ones for many years. Of belonging to the 'that's too horrible to be true' or 'I'll give them the benefit of the doubt' brigade. And that's how its seeded, as many on this thread have suggested. Under the guise of something 'honorable' or 'necessary'. Such as: We need to restrict movement in certain areas because of auto-emissions and global warming. We need to go cashless because of the virus. We need bank controlled digital currency to combat fraud.

And the majority of people accept this... partly because it lines up with the approved narrative, partly because they can't comprehend a soveriegn government acting against the interests of its citizens - and partly because even if they did believe that, it's much easier to bury your head in the sand.

I'm now very sceptical about most things. Certainly those things that are part of the mainstream narrative. But it's not easy. Information is currency now and it's tightly packaged. And it's not helped when stories such as 'Chinese Digital Yuan having an expiry date' (for instance) are hosted on the same page as UFO-sightings.

I now wonder what really can be done. Acting en masse won't happen, as per the above. Is it about thhe minority groups organising bettter? Or just getting your own house in order and hoping you've done enough to weather whatever's coming?

Not looking to derail this thread. Happy to receive input, info and links throuugh DMs.

 

FNF

This guy gives a good insight on how to take advantage of the situation and use it to your benefit to make a profit. He also has a positive and motivational manner which I like:

https://rumble.com/c/c-751835

[goldsilverdash]

On 14/12/2022 at 21:50, FourNinesFine said:

I now wonder what really can be done. Acting en masse won't happen, as per the above. Is it about thhe minority groups organising bettter? Or just getting your own house in order and hoping you've done enough to weather whatever's coming?

Excellent question! I believe that getting your own house in order is the answer. It makes most sense to focus on changing things that you have an actual influence over. Trying to change the whole world can only lead to frustration as we are so insignificant as individuals, whereas changing yourself and your own way of life is within your own power. And this is not just about personal survival, it is also a way to lead by example and hope to inspire others. “Present society with one improved unit”.

And, more importantly, it is about becoming more self-reliant and hence less dependant on the government. This is essential I think, because we can never hope to put up resistance against something on which we are dependant. You don’t bite the hand that feeds. Only if you stand on your own two feet can you ever be able to resist power.

Acquiring precious metals is part of being more self-reliant as it is a way to take some of your wealth out of the system and to keep it in your own hands. The same with cryptocurrency (if you hold it in a non-custodial wallet).

[Bigmarc]

11 minutes ago, goldsilverdash said:

Excellent question! I believe that getting your own house in order is the answer. It makes most sense to focus on changing things that you have an actual influence over. Trying to change the whole world can only lead to frustration as we are so insignificant as individuals, whereas changing yourself and your own way of life is within your own power. And this is not just about personal survival, it is also a way to lead by example and hope to inspire others. “Present society with one improved unit”.

Excellent answer. For some reason a question popped up on a article I was reading from Yougov. The question was should Ricky sunac make the cost of living crisis a priority. After answering it gives results and 79% was yes. That is a lot of people who think government should have control over private industry. Also makes me think that cbdc's will be adopted with open arms. 

I would probably swap earth and all humanity around 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Bigmarc

[SidS]

To paraphrase Mike Maloney, when successive governments and financial institutions have caused damage to the economy and brought on hardship, what do the people vote for? Yet more government intrusion and more government meddling to try and solve the problems that too much government meddling caused in the first place.

The one thing I've learned over the last decade is: that flocking together and absolving themselves of responsibility is a hardwired human condition.

Whether it be religion, science, social groups, climate change, socialism etc. Many humans would rather have an external factor to blame for their own inadequacies and want an external agent to come and solve their problems for them. In the past they'd both blame the will of God and then pray for his help. Now they blame governments, other social groups, climate issues etc. Their hoped for answer, that some one else will legislate in their favour, give them a hand out or absolve them of their debts.

As my driving instructor once said, "It's your responsibility to look after yourself, because if you don't, nobody else will."

Best advice I ever received.

[LemmyMcGregor]

1 hour ago, SidS said:

To paraphrase Mike Maloney, when successive governments and financial institutions have caused damage to the economy and brought on hardship, what do the people vote for? Yet more government intrusion and more government meddling to try and solve the problems that too much government meddling caused in the first place.

The one thing I've learned over the last decade is: that flocking together and absolving themselves of responsibility is a hardwired human condition.

Whether it be religion, science, social groups, climate change, socialism etc. Many humans would rather have an external factor to blame for their own inadequacies and want an external agent to come and solve their problems for them. In the past they'd both blame the will of God and then pray for his help. Now they blame governments, other social groups, climate issues etc. Their hoped for answer, that some one else will legislate in their favour, give them a hand out or absolve them of their debts.

As my driving instructor once said, "It's your responsibility to look after yourself, because if you don't, nobody else will."

Best advice I ever received.

Absolving oneself of responsibility is a concept that is well explained by Nietszche and really hit the core differences between libertarian and socialist ideologies or, more in general, collectivism vs individualism.

He says that the collectivists are cowards, they don't hold themselves responsible, now, because they are not responsible nothing is their fault, hence it must be someone else's fault and is someone else that has to change the behaviour, at this point they demand that the collective is held accountable, queue social measures and mass state control.

With individualists you have instead people that take personal rsponsibility for their own actions, because they know that they are responsible for their action they are also responsible for the consequences of such actions, this means that they know that if something is wrong all they have to do is fix it themselves, they don't want others to get in the way because it would only hinder their work, queue small governments and bill of rights. Real bill of rights, US constitution, not that joke that is the EU bill of rights.

 

The flocking together and keeping your head down is a camouflage mechanism, Peterson explains it here: