Sovereign Photo Thread...

[Silverlocks]

1 minute ago, Petra said:

I find the kitchen fluorescent light quite useful🤔😮, unfortunately the results are not quite up to your standards 🤔

Initially I had the devil's own job getting the coins to come out until I had a chat with @Charliemouse about lighting.  The lights in my flat are a bit c**p, and pretty much every window is obstructed by furniture, which makes it next to impossible to get natural light onto anything.

[Petra]

4 minutes ago, Silverlocks said:

Initially I had the devil's own job getting the coins to come out until I had a chat with @Charliemouse about lighting.  The lights in my flat are a bit c**p, and pretty much every window is obstructed by furniture, which makes it next to impossible to get natural light onto anything.

I do have a half decent camera and was a bit more in to photography, usually more landscape type stuff. Will have to make an effort and get some decent coin pictures taken🤔😮

[Silverlocks]

1 minute ago, Petra said:

I do have a half decent camera and was a bit more in to photography, usually more landscape type stuff. Will have to make an effort and get some decent coin pictures taken🤔😮

Get a basic macro lens if you don't already have one.  The desktop lighting is pretty cheap - the spots are smallrig RM-01s and the panels are Neumowa SA-60A1.  All of the lights are powered by an ordinary USB-C cable off a phone charger.  There are any number of small desktop tripods and articulating arm dohickeys available off Amazon for pretty modest prices. 

 

[Auronum]

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[Silverlocks]

Oblique shots of a 1900 old vic sov -

 

[Silverlocks]

And a minor variation of the ring + key light on a 1919P George V sov.  Comes out quite bright, even rendered on the browser.

 

[Silverlocks]

And here's a 1968 Gillick taken with the same camera settings as the George but no post.

[Paul]

Spotted this on FeeBay and thought i'd share it - design is rather nice  

 

[Britannia47]

To show why so many collectors prefer the ‘Gillick’ to the more modern issues. 
65 years ago Sovereigns looked like this cf last years bullion and proof versions

Feel free to zoom in and check out the condition and lustre. What’s not to like?….. Photo taken in natural lighting - colour is spot on IMO. 👍

[Britannia47]

2 hours ago, Paul said:

Spotted this on FeeBay and thought i'd share it - design is rather nice  

 

I believe this is a product of the Tower Mint and therefore in my eyes a Pseudo-Sovereign!
The Tower Mint has many partners, such as the London Mint Office, CPM Coins and The Westminster Collection. I avoid them like the plague. 
Oddly, the Company was set up by Raphael Maklouf who did the Queens portrait on Sovereigns from 1985 to 1997

What is misleading is the NGC label representing the ‘Modern Sovereign’ using the RMs image of the proof 2017 Sovereign!. Surely that belongs to the Royal Mint?……

[Paul]

Just now, Britannia47 said:

I believe this is a product of the Tower Mint and therefore in my eyes a Pseudo-Sovereign!
The Tower Mint has many partners, such as the London Mint Office, CPM Coins and The Westminster Collection. I avoid them like the plague. 
Oddly, the Company was set up by Raphael Maklouf who did the Queens portrait on Sovereigns from 1985 to 1997

What is misleading is the NGC label representing the ‘Modern Sovereign’ using the RMs image of the proof 2017 Sovereign!. Surely that belongs to the Royal Mint?……

I wouldn't buy it myself, it's not a proper sovereign that's for sure,  was just remarking it was a rather nice design on the eye

I didn't realise maklouf was behind some of these mark up, shake down artists. Thanks 👍 for mentioning 

[modofantasma]

Both of my sovs on a recent visit to the SDB. Something about the lighting in there makes it look like there is more than 2. 

 

 

[Petra]

12 minutes ago, modofantasma said:

Both of my sovs on a recent visit to the SDB. Something about the lighting in there makes it look like there is more than 2. 

 

 

🤔🫢😮🚀 very nice selection!🧐

[Gruff]

3 hours ago, modofantasma said:

Both of my sovs on a recent visit to the SDB. Something about the lighting in there makes it look like there is more than 2. 

 

 

Wowzers, that was a stack and a half, sorry to hear it was lost in a boating accident! 

[AaaGee]

My latest and my oldest so far.

[Petra]

9 minutes ago, AaaGee said:

My latest and my oldest so far.

Very nice!👍

[AuricGoldfinger]

4 hours ago, modofantasma said:

Both of my sovs on a recent visit to the SDB. Something about the lighting in there makes it look like there is more than 2. 

 

 

How many is there. I need to know!

[Sovhead]

On 03/11/2023 at 19:26, Britannia47 said:

I believe this is a product of the Tower Mint and therefore in my eyes a Pseudo-Sovereign!
The Tower Mint has many partners, such as the London Mint Office, CPM Coins and The Westminster Collection. I avoid them like the plague. 
Oddly, the Company was set up by Raphael Maklouf who did the Queens portrait on Sovereigns from 1985 to 1997

What is misleading is the NGC label representing the ‘Modern Sovereign’ using the RMs image of the proof 2017 Sovereign!. Surely that belongs to the Royal Mint?……

Absolute Belter 😍

[Sovhead]

26 minutes ago, AaaGee said:

My latest and my oldest so far.

A beauty.

See when we buy Gold and it arrives through the post the excitement of ripping it open is just super and once you’ve looked at it in great detail it gets re-stared at throughout the day 🤣🤣🤣until it’s bed time and then again at least a few times every day for a few weeks…😎

[modofantasma]

6 minutes ago, AuricGoldfinger said:

How many is there. I need to know!

Not sure. This was certainly the majority but there's a handful in the other box with beasts and 1 ozers

[AaaGee]

6 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

A beauty.

See when we buy Gold and it arrives through the post the excitement of ripping it open is just super and once you’ve looked at it in great detail it gets re-stared at throughout the day 🤣🤣🤣until it’s bed time and then again at least a few times every day for a few weeks…😎

Yeh, i got it on thursday and kept going back to look at it. Sadly its now gone into hiding. Still have a couple of pix on my phone i can look at. Not the same though.

[Auronum]

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[NGMD]

2 minutes ago, Auronum said:

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Could you add some crayons to get the attention of some of the members here.

Thank You.

[James32]

Just now, NGMD said:

Could you add some crayons to get the attention of some of the members here.

Thank You.

Flavoured ones please

[Paul]

https://www.spink.com/lot/23151002006

Someone's Christmas present to themselves

Hammer price £370,000 + 20% buyers premium £74,000 + Vat £14,8000 on BP = £458,800

NGC PF63+ UCAM | William IV (1830-1837), Pattern Proof Five-Pounds, 1831

First time one has came up for sale in over a century 

 

Auction: 23151 - The St Helier Collection of English Gold Coins - Part II
Lot: 2006

(g) NGC PF63+ UCAM | William IV (1830-1837), Pattern Proof Five-Pounds, 1831, struck from the Coronation 'W.W.' Crown dies in .999 Fine Gold, by William Wyon after Francis Chantrey and Jean-Baptiste Merlen for the Royal Mint, GULIELMUS IIII 😧 G: BRITANNIAR: REX F: 😧 bare head right, W.W. buried in truncation, rev. crowned shield-of-arms within the Collar of the Order of the Garter and draped with ermine mantle, St George pendant below, edge plain, [Median Spink XRF: 99.99% Au], 39.828g [614.64grns], 5h ("A Memoir of the Life and Works of William Wyon ESQ A.R.A, Chief Engraver of the Royal Mint", Nicholas Carlisle [1837], pp. 107-109; "The Wyons", L S Forrer [Spink, 1917], p. 103; KM Pn99; Fb. 381; PCGS ID 531509/542036; MCE p. 94, Pattern 34a; L&S 2, p. 71 this coin mentioned; Davies 300; W&R 270 [R5]; ESC 272 [R5]; Bull 2463 [R5]; Holloway GH 102; Sainthill -; Montagu 1086; Murdoch 437; Nobleman 198; Wertheimer 176 = Lingford 533; Blake BL310 this coin ['6 known']; Lady Duveen 64 = Douglas-Morris 184 ['about 10 known']; Spink 3833), an historic scratch to forehead with the faintest wisps to fields, below neckline and to right of mantle above the expected die flaw, with delicate carbon spotting to peripheries, otherwise entirely original and utterly splendiferous, the "frabjous" fields of Wyon's auriferous "wonderland" canon a befittingly exalted canvas for the strikingly high relief and stupendously cameo "Coronation portrait" personally approved by the King from this very obverse die, from an exceedingly limited corpus; this the viable finest of the nine confirmed specimens; truly "fresh from the die" and technically FDC, totally unblemished by recent 'conservation' or even rim contact marks that plague the extremities of every other known survivor, simply put: outrageous; extraordinary; and practically peerless; unseen at public auction for almost a CENTURY, having previously blessed the Alfred John Morris; George Hamilton-Smith; Hugh Vincent Summers, George Blake and Charles Dabney-Thompson cabinets, in NGC 'St. Helier' holder, conservatively graded PF63+ ULTRA CAMEO (Cert. #6767923-004) [Only 1 Certified Finer]

Provenance

~ Recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records (1969) as the most expensive British coin ever sold at the time. For context, the average house price in the United Kingdom in July 1966 was £3,558.0.0 ~

Spink, by private treaty, 4 July 1966 - £5,350.0.0

Charles Dabney-Thompson, collection purchased en bloc by Spink, 1965

SCMB, June 1956, BL310* - "AV Five Pounds, 1831, Pattern by William Wyon and Merlen...only six coins of this denomination are believed to have been issued. brilliant, FDC, RRRR" - £800.0.0

George Blake, collection purchased by Seaby, May 1956

~ 1956: "In May of this year we were able to announce the purchase of the George Blake collection, which was one of the best we have bought in recent years. Pieces worth noting where the Cromwell half-broad, Charles II Petition and Reddite crowns, the George III five guineas of 1777, and the William IV five pounds of 1831" (H A Seaby, SCMB, July 1966, p. 241) ~

B A Seaby, by private treaty with George Blake, by February 1947

Hugh Vincent Summers ['XYZ'], collection purchased by Seaby, 1946

George Hamilton-Smith (died 18 November 1926), Glendining, 23-25 May 1927, lot 189 - "Pattern Five Pound Piece, 1831....edge plain, brilliant and of great rarity" - £110.0.0 [Spink for H V Summers]

"Formerly in the Morris Collection"

Alfred John Morris (5 February 1880 - 16 January 1943), collection sold by private treaty to Hamilton-Smith, between April and July 1922

Little is known about the Morris collection, as only Hamilton-Smith seems to have directly or at least publicly benefitted from it. It contributed at least three coins, a 1770 Pattern Five Guineas, an 1820 Five Pounds and this 1831 Five Pounds which is rather telling of its calibre and quality. Indeed Morris, first appears on the radar at the Nobleman sale of 27 March 1922, when he newly-registers as a commission bidder with Spink for the sale. Presenting the profile of an investor, strangely Morris targets only four lots - the strikings in silver of the 1820 Five-Pounds and Two-Pounds; a Pattern 1816 Sovereign, and finally lot 67A - the Incorrupta Crown in Gold. Strikingly no effort was made towards bidding for the Pattern Five Guineas, the 1820 Five Pounds or indeed the Renotiere example of the 1831 Gold piece - highly suggestive of a pre-existing collection, but an especially targeted focus when bidding. In each case Morris would be defeated by Spink's separate commission bidder Virgil Michael Brand, perhaps initiating Morris to apply for membership to the British Numismatic Society only a month later whereupon he would undoubtedly have met one of its council members, George Hamilton-Smith who probably persuaded him to approach him in his separate capacity as newly acting director of auctioneer Glendining's. His father had founded a company of upholsterer spring manufacturers, having started his career as a book-keeper in Belper, Derbyshire. Partnering with Edward Bagshaw, the firm of Bagshaw and Morris operated under the Morris' sole ownership from 43 Charlotte Road, Shoreditch between 1889 and 1935. It claimed to be the oldest manufacturer of coppered-steel springs for the upholstery trade.

Corpus:

1) The Arnold Specimen (May 1993); Private Collection [PCGS PR63 DCAM]

2) The Murdoch Specimen (January 2020), 39.87g; Private Collection [PCGS PR63 DCAM - Cert. #39237162]

3) The Duveen Specimen (October 2020), 39.90g; Submitted for grading, Sarasota, Florida (January 2014), and 'brown'-holdered [NGC PF63 UCAM - Cert. #3731659-001]; Resubmitted and "conserved" before sale in Monaco; Private Collection [NGC PF66* UCAM - Cert. #5744153-004]

4) The St. Helier Specimen (May 1927), 39.828g, this coin; [NGC PF63+ UCAM - Cert. #6767923-004]

5) The Paramount Specimen (January 2023), 40.446g; graded NGC Proof Details ~ Obverse Tooled [Cert. #6066350-025]; Private Collection, presently unencapsulated.

6) The Thomas H Law Specimen (August 2013); [NGC PF63 UCAM].

7) The Strauss Specimen (May 1994); [PCGS PR61 DCAM]

😎 The Hunterian Specimen (-), ex Major-General William Yorke-Moore, Sotheby's, 21 April 1879, lot 340 - £22.0.0 [Rollin & Feuardent for Burns]; Edward Burns, by private treaty with Coats; Thomas Coats, collection bequeathed to Hunterian Museum, 1921

9) The Ashmolean Specimen (-)

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6767923-004/63/