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1887 £5 proof sovereign real or fake ?


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5 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

the tail is usually the big giveaway with these fakes.

so if they get that right we're buggered

Lol yeah.

poor George looks a bit skinny too. More muscular in the real one 💪

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So from a buyer point of view, the seller looks legit to me with 100% review over more than 12 months and legal information available. If the coin is fake, then we are really buggered.

If, say, we bought a coin, the seller sent it and you received it, then found out it is a fake, but the seller insists it was a real coin sent. basically one’s word against the other. There is an ebay money back guarantee, but how does it work in this situation?

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6 minutes ago, vicamy said:

So from a buyer point of view, the seller looks legit to me with 100% review over more than 12 months and legal information available. If the coin is fake, then we are really buggered.

If, say, we bought a coin, the seller sent it and you received it, then found out it is a fake, but the seller insists it was a real coin sent. basically one’s word against the other. There is an ebay money back guarantee, but how does it work in this situation?

ebay with the buyer %100 

you open a case to return the coin (not as described) 

ebay will approve your return request even if he didn’t (take time though)

then you will get a refund after it’s been delivered back to the seller 

 

i’m not saying go and buy the coin 😂

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8 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

ebay with the buyer %100 

you open a case to return the coin (not as described) 

ebay will approve your return request even if he didn’t (take time though)

then you will get a refund after it’s been delivered back to the seller 

 

i’m not saying go and buy the coin 😂

Thanks @Sovereign. That’s really good to know.👍

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2 hours ago, vicamy said:

So from a buyer point of view, the seller looks legit to me with 100% review over more than 12 months and legal information available. If the coin is fake, then we are really buggered.

If, say, we bought a coin, the seller sent it and you received it, then found out it is a fake, but the seller insists it was a real coin sent. basically one’s word against the other. There is an ebay money back guarantee, but how does it work in this situation?

Not always with the buyer.  I have won most of my disputes as a seller, because the evidence I provide is irrefutable.  Don't buy on the basis that you'll win a dispute; if they're a good seller then eBay will back them.

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22 minutes ago, Cornishfarmer said:

HGM sold a fake to a member here if I remember correctly so they must be hard to spot even by professionals.     Can’t remember if the outcome was published.   @Kman? Can you shed light?

I've had two fakes from HGM, bullions though not proofs. One of them was exceptionally good. Someone else has had one too.

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I'd just avoid eBay and never buy anything more expensive than £50 from either eBay or amazon because i had a few bad experiences both as seller and buyer (not PMs), but I do think when it comes to eBay, genuine and honest sellers have a lot more to lose than buyers.

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1 minute ago, sovereignsteve said:

I've had two fakes from HGM, bullions though not proofs. One of them was exceptionally good. Someone else has had one too.

nooo way, that's shocking, what happened then ?

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3 hours ago, Sovereign said:

hi

saw this on ebay 

not sure if it’s real or fake 

the fields look too clean for 1887 proof sovereign?

also the seller said he will accept £3k which is way too cheap 

let me know what you think please 

@sovereignsteve 

@Numistacker

@Marc

@AndreasAfeldt

@1817SovereignCollector

 

The same person also has a worn 1911 quintuple sovereign up for auction.  I know there are forgeries of this coin too.

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2 minutes ago, Nick1368 said:

nooo way, that's shocking, what happened then ?

one was easy to spot but the other had me fooled for quite a while. in the end i sent it off for grading to check. HGM were very good about it; refunded me in full even though spot had dropped a fair bit.

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