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Some more content for you, to help with your decision:
http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/10650-gothic-crown-real-or-fake/
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=146846
Ideally you also want to see photos of the edge of 'your' coin, but at first glance when compared to the photos in the second link - I think 'your' coin does not fail any of these tests (so the presumption remains in favour of it being a genuine coin and not a forgery).
Hope it helps.  Personally I think I would only buy a gothic crown from a reputable coin dealer who can guarantee it as being genuine (and would therefore give you a full refund if it subsequently proved to be a forgery).

As someone already said, it is not easy to be absolutely certain from photographs, but...
If anyone can create fakes which look as good as that, they could command a top job at almost any mint in the world.
Regarding the names, is Mike Litoris the same person who changed his name from Michael Hunt. (There is a hilarious local true story about this imaginery person).
If so, I wouldn't buy anything from that country bumpkin. (I just lost an argument with my spell-checker).
I do have considerable experience with old silver coins, fakes, and more, but it would take half a lifetime to relay this information, much of which I have already published on our websites, old and new, or in YouTube videos.
One important factor is provenance, which includes who is offering the coin for sale.
If someone told me they had bought a similar coin from the late Paul Dawson, I could safely pronounce it genuine without inspecting it, whereas if it was from ebay or the guy in the pub, then I would say it was 99% certain to be fake.
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Looks genuine to me.
A stunning coin, very crisp details.

Good advice- on the several occasions that I have made sizeable purchases from different dealers- all have obliged with reservation while I decided and all reassured me that if I wasn't happy, that I could return the coin/ sets that I have purchased.   

I agree with this.  Perhaps a good course of action would be to contact the dealer to reserve the coin, while you discuss it with the dealer in more detail.  Alternatively, ask if you can have the coin on approval or at the very least be able to return it within a period of time (provided you post it using a secure method of delivery and fully insured).  
A reputable dealer should be able to offer you this kind of service, especially given the likely purchase price..
Good luck with your decision 🙂

As an 1847, it should have Undecimo on the edge.

The whitish marks near vickys face also the top of the rim on the reverse looks clean and untonned compared to the rest of the coin.
Probably the lighting....no one can really judge a coin from a photo,it needs to be in hand and examined with the human eye...and a lupe..🤗

Thanks for sharing- please let us know what you decide to do- I know exactly what I would do, funds permitting 😃

Looks fabulous, nice toning but I have no idea about artificial toning issues. I have never seen a really good fake nor do I know anyone who is expert on this coin.
Assuming genuine it is very valuable in this condition and needs stabbing by PCGS ideally or NGC.

What an absolutely stunning coin.  Personally, I would have no issue buying this.
The photos may be misleading but it has a distinctly gold tinge to it (many are more 'pewter' coloured in toning) BUT there are similar out there I have come across that have a similar toning - quite light - which adds to the eye appeal AND are graded - meaning they have NOT been cleaned.
I don't specialise in this coin so others may want to comment - but I would have this any day over one of the modern engravers series.
This will not be a cheap coin - if you buy this enjoy.
Best
Dicker
 

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

Hello forum,
Recently I came across a seller who is offering a Victoria Gothic Silver Crown.
Seeing as I don't have much experience, I would like you to help me determine whether or not this piece is authentic.
I am uploading the photos for you to examine the coin.

As I said "Surface ripples can also occur if metal is over-heated, as in annealing, possibly of the blanks, but also possibly later.".
Jewellers might heat a coin while soldering a mount.
It could have still been on someone's finger when they were at the crematorium! 😎

Flow marks, just a description, as though the metal has flowed, which does happen to some extent on striking, but also if cast in a mould. 
Surface ripples can also occur if metal is over-heated, as in annealing, possibly of the blanks, but also possibly later. An orange peel effect can be seen on some genuine coins, as can other surface patterns and features.
Forgers would be very unlikely to use tooling on individual coins. Imperfections and loss of detail are likely to occur when making dies or moulds for mass / batch production of fakes. 

Some fakes are so obvious that almost anyone can tell, even from a photo, but with less obvious fakes, or with debatable genuine ones, it can be difficult or impossible to tell with any certainty from photos.
Digital calipers, scales, neodymium magnet all have their use, as does an XRF machine. If any of them produce a "wrong" result, you have identified a fake, but in most cases they will not give an unequivocal answer.
The best equipment, which most of us have, is two eyes. A simple eyeglass will also help. Another example of the same coin type is useful for comparison. Then you need to invest some time comparing, and trying to work out what has caused the effects you are seeing.
Of course, experience also helps, but we all needed to start somewhere.
Your particular coin does look quite scruffy and worn, with a scratch on the king's face, there are other signs that it may have come out of jewellery, including the two curved dark areas near the reverse rim. Some of this may be making it harder to judge whether it is genuine or not.
I hope this helps.

You are right to be concerned about that, and I would be looking at it more closely.
The other concern is the radial flow lines on the obverse.

I just checked my inventory of Victorian sovereigns and the range is 7.94 to 8.0 g with an average 7.98 g and they all show some degree of wear.
I think an underweight coin would look very worn and personally I wouldn't want to buy.
Also I have seen other gold coins where someone has clipped a bit off the rim or filed an edge possibly to verify gold using acid tests.
That would perhaps place a coin "underweight".

 

Hello forum,
As the title suggests, I was wondering about the weight of the gold sovereign. From what I have read, the weight limit for a sovereign to be considered underweight is 7.93787g, which is more commonly rounded up to 7.94g. Therefore, keeping in mind the correct weight of the sovereign which is 7.988g, that makes a 0.6% difference. So, my questions are these:
1. At what point can we 'safely' pick a sovereign based on its weight?
2. Do you have a sovereign that is underweight in your collection?
3. Do some sovereigns, for example William IV or George III ones keep their premium despite being underweight?
4. At what point does the level of wear indicate a significant loss in weight?
5. Also, concerning other types of gold coins, does the % difference differ, or is the same 0.6% as the sovereign? For example if I wanna buy a French 20 Francs gold coin (6.45161g and 90% fineness), does the same percentage apply?
Sorry if you find these questions too many. Take your time and enjoy this beautiful George V gold Proof £5 sovereign! 😊
 
                           
 

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Having looked at the photos, it was very easy to reach a definite conclusion.
He needs to buy a better camera (or phone) 🙂

I’d steer clear of that, straight away you can see it isn’t genuine.
Here’s a 1917 Perth mint sovereign I bought on the forum back in June for you to see the difference.