Does it bother you in the U.K. that the queen is on coins?

[JackKlugman]

6 minutes ago, KDave said:

I would pay to see the production of Trump half dollars imagine the hysteria. 

Having that alt right criminal on official US currency would be offensive, 

I don't have a problem with Lizzy being on the coins, Charles however is not fit to be king and William should immediately get the position

[Guest]

I'm checked out of this thread for now. Not wasting my time with obama or trump. Let either of those two destroy themselves in the long run. Not a fan of either of those two leftists and I'm going to go do something else. trump was a registered democrat from 2001 to 2009 alone and only ran on the right due to clinton (another leftist) alone and I'm not wasting my time on her either.

[Xander]

28 minutes ago, AppleZippoandMetronome said:

it does get a bit boring always seeing Liz.

I would suggest Elvis lookalike, Justin Tru'-D'oh!😋

[kimchi]

It's an interesting topic. I've grown up with the Queen on coins so it's both normal and necessary imo, and a lovely historical link. However I can't imagine Charles on a coin! I think he comes in I will be collecting/stacking stuff without him on it, my feelings might change but that's how it stands at the moment, I wonder how others feel there.

[RoslandGold]

3 hours ago, StevenDS said:

I'm not from the UK, but for the countries you mentioned and a few others it's a requirement I guess to make it legal tender. However some exceptions are possible I believe, looking for example at the 'Mounted Police' coin from Canada. Not the queen, however it's another Monarch from the past King George V.

https://goldsilver.be/nl/home/2842-canada-2-oz-silver-mounted-police-2020-10.html

Being legal tender is a big deal in Europe, because this allows us to avoid VAT on silver. We are obliged to stick to legal tender silver coins. On bars for example, unless they are coin bars, we have to pay VAT (21% in Belgium).

Saving the 21% VAT I don't mind her face on the coins. To save 21% they can even put her old bottom on the coins for all I care. 😉

Just get an old coin, so the queen is not a grandma 😉

I like the design when she was 26 years old. 

 

- Being legal tender is a big deal in Europe, because this allows us to avoid VAT on silver. We are obliged to stick to legal tender silver coins. On bars for example, unless they are coin bars, we have to pay VAT (21% in Belgium)

It depends on the bar and the purity? Harmonized codes are different for some silver bars (not silver coin bars).

[westminstrel]

37 minutes ago, E23 said:

I'm checked out of this thread for now. Not wasting my time with obama or trump. Let either of those two destroy themselves in the long run. Not a fan of either of those two leftists and I'm going to go do something else. trump was a registered democrat from 2001 to 2009 alone and only ran on the right due to clinton (another leftist) alone and I'm not wasting my time on her either.

That’s the problem with politicians - by definition they are politic.

The monarchy is not just apolitical, but ABOVE politics, and represents something that lasts beyond a 4 or 8 year term. It symbolises stability and longevity.

[RoslandGold]

Just now, westminstrel said:

That’s the problem with politicians - by definition they are politic.

The monarchy is not just apolitical, but ABOVE politics, and represents something that lasts beyond a 4 or 8 year term. It symbolises stability and longevity.

... as long as kim jong un rocketman and trump are still able to play in the sandpit everything is fine. The whole world laughs about the self called twitter-god.

[goldmember44]

It doesn't bother me at all. This is what British coins have been like for many hundreds of years. If there is no monarch on the obverse, it just wouldn't be a British coin anymore, and THAT would ruin its value for me. 

If you don't like the British monarch's portrait on coins, then you shouldn't collect British coins, or Commonwealth coins in general. There are plenty other countries that don't have it on their coins.

[RoslandGold]

I believe if you add some cool decoration even the queen looks great. Czech mint is doing that on their reverse proof and i love the design -> Czech Lion 2019 Reverse Proof

 

or .. attached

[goldmember44]

32 minutes ago, kimchi said:

It's an interesting topic. I've grown up with the Queen on coins so it's both normal and necessary imo, and a lovely historical link. However I can't imagine Charles on a coin! I think he comes in I will be collecting/stacking stuff without him on it, my feelings might change but that's how it stands at the moment, I wonder how others feel there.

Ditto... I think it will take some getting used to his portrait. It would be a big change. I think many collectors will concentrate on Elizabeth II coins for some time to come... there is plenty to collect.

[westminstrel]

28 minutes ago, kimchi said:

It's an interesting topic. I've grown up with the Queen on coins so it's both normal and necessary imo, and a lovely historical link. However I can't imagine Charles on a coin! I think he comes in I will be collecting/stacking stuff without him on it, my feelings might change but that's how it stands at the moment, I wonder how others feel there.

The monarchy doesn’t work on popularity. There are rules of accession. Whether or not people like Prince Charles is immaterial - he will be king when the time comes. Whether he chooses to abdicate and pass the reins on to Prince William is up to him. The public doesn’t get to decide.

Personally I am ambivalent - he works hard in his royal duties and hasn’t done anything to warrant his abdication.

For the “greater good”, that is, for the survival and relevance of the monarchy, he may choose to abdicate to “Will and Kate”. But once again, it isn’t left up to a public vote  

[Roy]

Few people will understand the importance and strength of a monarchy and I feel its relevance is becoming less important as time goes by. (excepting the Thais!)

Was gen x the last generation who would pledge allegiance to the Queen? Will the pride and emotion we felt at the jubilees, weddings and funerals be felt again?

Did the monarchy suffer a stroke with the death of Diana and will ultimately end with Queen Elizabeth?

 

 

[RoslandGold]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

Few people will understand the importance and strength of a monarchy and I feel its relevance is becoming less important as time goes by. (excepting the Thais!)

Was gen x the last generation who would pledge allegiance to the Queen? Will the pride and emotion we felt at the jubilees, weddings and funerals be felt again?

Did the monarchy suffer a stroke with the death of Diana and will end with Queen Elizabeth?

 

 

I have soo many friends in UK and Sweden. Everytime i ask them something about the kingdom, they are always answer "noone cares about them". Doesnt matter if they are young, old. rich or poor people. How is that possible at all?

[goldmember44]

5 minutes ago, RoslandGold said:

I have soo many friends in UK and Sweden. Everytime i ask them something about the kingdom, they are always answer "noone cares about them". Doesnt matter if they are young, old. rich or poor people. How is that possible at all?

I think the fact that they still attract so much attention in the newspapers and media, constantly, is proof that many, if not most, people actually do care but would not admit it because they don't want to be embarrassed or something. There are fewer and fewer true British cultural icons these days, and the monarchy is probably one of the last ones in everyone's mind.

[Roy]

My generation cares. But...

We don't sing the national anthem at school. We don't have portraits of HM on the walls.

It was the last thing you heard as the TV shut down. We used to need a monarchy but today all we need are celebs.

I used to travel miles to see the Queen either with my parents or the scouts.

[AurumArgenti]

After our beloved queen passes on the only monarch worthy of the title and role should be William. 

It's a shame Harry had ruined his life.😞😬🤫

[Roy]

Also, the monarch is head of the Church of England. Does that matter anymore?

[AurumArgenti]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

Also, the monarch is head of the Church of England. Does that matter anymore?

Not if you listen to the BBC and likes.

[goldmember44]

3 minutes ago, Roy said:

Also, the monarch is head of the Church of England. Does that matter anymore?

And yes... on the coins we still see "Fili Defensor" (Defender of the Faith). I heard a rumour Charles wants to change that when he becomes king... 

[Martlet]

7 minutes ago, goldmember44 said:

And yes... on the coins we still see "Fili Defensor" (Defender of the Faith). I heard a rumour Charles wants to change that when he becomes king... 

There's been talk over the years he wants to add a "s" to "faith".  No biggy really when you consider the commonwealth covers many people with different religions.  

[goldmember44]

1 minute ago, Martlet said:

There's been talk over the years he wants to add a "s" to "faith".  No biggy really when you consider the commonwealth covers many people with different religions.  

There's a huge difference in meaning, though. In fact it makes the meaning obsolete.

[kimchi]

27 minutes ago, RoslandGold said:

Just get an old coin, so the queen is not a grandma 😉

I like the design when she was 26 years old.

An absolute iconic design! The best ever, for me, but perhaps because I grew up with it. I really should get a Sov for my birth year.

14 minutes ago, goldmember44 said:

Ditto... I think it will take some getting used to his portrait. It would be a big change. I think many collectors will concentrate on Elizabeth II coins for some time to come... there is plenty to collect.

It's going to be interesting in the coin collecting world I think, QEII is such a classic era, spanning the lives at least three generations too. At the new higher Mint prices I can see QEII coins being chosen instead by some (like myself perhaps).

26 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

The monarchy doesn’t work on popularity.

And my coin collecting doesn't work on the law of succession!

[westminstrel]

Just now, kimchi said:

And my coin collecting doesn't work on the law of succession!

Lol fair enough 😀

But are you seriously saying you won’t collect any British coins because the obverse will have Charles’ portrait? Is that because you dislike the idea of his face on a coin. Or do you just dislike his face?

If the latter, then well, it’s of course up to your taste whether you collect or not.

If the former, then good on you for sticking to your principles.

Either way, I wasn’t implying anything about your coin collecting - that is subjective and totally up to you. Cheers!

[Guest]

2 hours ago, RoslandGold said:

Just get an old coin, so the queen is not a grandma 😉

I like the design when she was 26 years old. 

 

- Being legal tender is a big deal in Europe, because this allows us to avoid VAT on silver. We are obliged to stick to legal tender silver coins. On bars for example, unless they are coin bars, we have to pay VAT (21% in Belgium)

It depends on the bar and the purity? Harmonized codes are different for some silver bars (not silver coin bars).

I've noticed this, but I haven't put it all together yet. That you could buy by the year to see her age (basically I want to say). I wonder if anyone has a youtube video on this alone.

Is VAT for anyone that buys outside the EU then? Is that the crossover from inside to outside EU?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, goldmember44 said:

It doesn't bother me at all. This is what British coins have been like for many hundreds of years. If there is no monarch on the obverse, it just wouldn't be a British coin anymore, and THAT would ruin its value for me. 

If you don't like the British monarch's portrait on coins, then you shouldn't collect British coins, or Commonwealth coins in general. There are plenty other countries that don't have it on their coins.

It's "faces" on coins alone it's just that 90% or so of those coins or at least the ones I want myself have the queen or a face on them. I'm not going to be buying coins with faces on them unless they are spiritual / Christian for that matter 90% of the time myself.

Was curious to as well what you guys think over there to as well.