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Does it bother you in the U.K. that the queen is on coins?


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UK + Australia and such.

I don't buy from these sites personally and don't know how much they are trusted for the most part. These are just for show.

https://www.swissbullion.ch/en/product/1-oz-2019-silver-british-britannia-coin

https://www.gold.co.uk/silver-coins/silver-kookaburra/silver-kookaburra-1kg-2020/

You have some of the coolest coins out there in the U.K. or Australia, but in many situations the queen is on the coin. Which ruins it for me personally. Australian Kookaburra coin is a beautiful coin to me personally and has a beautiful bird on the coin, but the queen's face ruins it for me personally or ruins the story of the coin itself. I like to imagine an Australian Kookaburra out in the wild or something like that then if I were to flip over the coin the queen is out in the wild to as well. I like to think a coin kind of tells a story to me personally is what it is more or so, but the queen is in every story or on most coins at least from what I've seen myself. I have to wonder if they make Australian Kookaburras without the queens face on it. It's still an incredible coin though like many of the other coins from the U.K. or Australia and such.

Does that bother or annoy you guys from the U.K. if not Australia alone or do you just ignore it completely? Maybe some of you enjoy it?

 

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I wouldn’t personally say it annoys anybody from the U.K. it’s our Monarch, a symbol of our country and we are as use to seeing as the sky is blue! :) Can’t speak for the people from the Commonwealth and how they feel about it...

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1 hour ago, E23 said:

UK + Australia and such.

I don't buy from these sites personally and don't know how much they are trusted for the most part. These are just for show.

https://www.swissbullion.ch/en/product/1-oz-2019-silver-british-britannia-coin

https://www.gold.co.uk/silver-coins/silver-kookaburra/silver-kookaburra-1kg-2020/

You have some of the coolest coins out there in the U.K. or Australia, but in many situations the queen is on the coin. Which ruins it for me personally. Australian Kookaburra coin is a beautiful coin to me personally and has a beautiful bird on the coin, but the queen's face ruins it for me personally or ruins the story of the coin itself. I like to imagine an Australian Kookaburra out in the wild or something like that then if I were to flip over the coin the queen is out in the wild to as well. I like to think a coin kind of tells a story to me personally is what it is more or so, but the queen is in every story or on most coins at least from what I've seen myself. I have to wonder if they make Australian Kookaburras without the queens face on it. It's still an incredible coin though like many of the other coins from the U.K. or Australia and such.

Does that bother or annoy you guys from the U.K. if not Australia alone or do you just ignore it completely? Maybe some of you enjoy it?

 

I'm not from the UK, but for the countries you mentioned and a few others it's a requirement I guess to make it legal tender. However some exceptions are possible I believe, looking for example at the 'Mounted Police' coin from Canada. Not the queen, however it's another Monarch from the past King George V.

https://goldsilver.be/nl/home/2842-canada-2-oz-silver-mounted-police-2020-10.html

Being legal tender is a big deal in Europe, because this allows us to avoid VAT on silver. We are obliged to stick to legal tender silver coins. On bars for example, unless they are coin bars, we have to pay VAT (21% in Belgium).

Saving the 21% VAT I don't mind her face on the coins. To save 21% they can even put her old bottom on the coins for all I care. 😉

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As an Aussie, I am completely okay with HM’s portrait on our coinage. She’s our Head of State. And the portrait of the monarch DOES tell a story - a continuing story that spans centuries.

I personally don’t understand people’s annoyance with this. And FYI I’m not judging them; nor do I expect them to understand my POV 🙂

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Indeed, it's history.

Having the effigy of the HOS, monarch, Emperor (Pharaoh?) on the obverse is a long running tradition that goes back millennia.

As you're a member of a fairly modern country with only a few hundred years' history, I can believe that you find it difficult to comprehend.

The Indian head was a good attempt 😉

 

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Roy said:

Indeed, it's history.

Having the effigy of the HOS, monarch, Emperor (Pharaoh?) on the obverse is a long running tradition that goes back millennia.

As you're a member of a fairly modern country with only a few hundred years' history, I can believe that you find it difficult to comprehend.

The Indian head was a good attempt 😉

 

 

 

 

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1. It's basically always the queen and never the king or anyone else which is kind of what confuses / confused me a bit myself with my original post.

2. We have a selection of multiple types that can be on the coin and it's not just one person at all usually or someone like the queen only. It can be many different Founding Fathers or they can design it without any of The Founding Fathers completely. They don't have to put any Founding Father on it and there's no punishment when it comes to not putting The Founding Fathers on a coin. If there is a punishment of any type it's very rare when it comes to our coins. #2 would probably be why I don't get what you are saying though myself for the most part since we have choice for the most part ourselves. The queen has been on like 90% of the coins I've liked looking at from the U.K. or Australia it seems.

It's apart of your history though and you guys are basically interwoven into that alone though is something I can get since it's more or so a tradition to you over there.

The problem is not that she's on a coin. It's that she's basically on every coin from that realm and many of them are incredible coins, but I don't want to see the queen on every coin. Much like I don't want to see The Founding Fathers on every coin.

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Not a huge fan of Indian Head coins myself or as we call them here "Native Americans" since Indians are from India. They'd be indigenous people or native Americans much like Australia with it's indigenous people not "Indians". I have to look this up some time to figure out why they are called just that though when it comes to the coin collecting world.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Madstacks said:

Having the Queens Head on a coin is my definition for coin, anything without it is a double sided round to me. No way would I want it gone!

So if the kings head was on it instead of the queens head it wouldn't be a coin to you? This is not meant to be funny (might be funny to some). Just super curious if there's something here to you personally.

Is it that important that it's the queens head instead of the kings head for that matter?

Just wondering if it's tradition wise or something like that. Again this isn't meant to be funny.

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@E23 The queen is the current monarch, so anybody else on the coin would make it not a coin by definition of what a coin is for us.....its not about queen or king or whatever, its about the monarch. 

When the queen dies and Charles becomes king we will feel the exact same way about the King being on a coin....

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Monarch / ruler heads on coins dates back  to Greek and Roman time - probably earlier as noted above. 
 

In a country with a long and rich history like the U.K. a coin like the “Sovereign” is called that because the “Sovereign” is represented on the coin.  
 

I very much like the depiction of our Sovereign on our coinage (Canadian and Recent Perth mint 2020 coins have depictions of HMQ that are not to my taste).

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3 minutes ago, BackyardBullion said:

@E23 The queen is the current monarch, so anybody else on the coin would make it not a coin by definition of what a coin is for us.....its not about queen or king or whatever, its about the monarch. 

When the queen dies and Charles becomes king we will feel the exact same way about the King being on a coin....

So basically this is what I'm going to see on a coin then (people in link below)? That makes sense then if that's the case. It's whoever the "Monarch" is at the time or if it predated the current "Monarch" it would be the "Monarch" before that. It would be someone else for each time frame as "Monarchs" then. It rotates around the "Monarch" then. I'm starting to see your world more and more myself now for coin collecting.

It's wikipedia, but this basically?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchs

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1 minute ago, dicker said:

Monarch / ruler heads on coins dates back  to Greek and Roman time - probably earlier as noted above. 
 

In a country with a long and rich history like the U.K. a coin like the “Sovereign” is called that because the “Sovereign” is represented on the coin.  
 

I very much like the depiction of our Sovereign on our coinage (Canadian and Recent Perth mint 2020 coins have depictions of HMQ that are not to my taste).

God bless QE2

 

I just got to this myself a couple of minutes before you posted this. Now it makes sense why only one person is on a coin instead of the king.

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10 minutes ago, E23 said:

Just wondering if it's tradition wise or something like that. Again this isn't meant to be funny.

Over the many centuries our Isle has produced coins there has been a ‘leaders’ head on the obverse to denote who the coin was minted by and thus owned by. As the centuries went on and and our monarchy took shape the Royal Mint was owned by the Crown and as allegiance was to the Monarch our Kings and Queens remained on the obverse. Once the Royal Mint moved out of the Tower of London (owned by the Crown) tradition was long established and as our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth remains on our legal tender. I see no reason to remove her or future monarchs whilst they remain Head of State. 

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Exactly what @BackyardBullion said. The Ruling Monarch, whether King or Queen, is symbolic in a way that can probably not be explained.

Even though I have mixed heritage (including from a former British colony), I don’t see the monarchy today as representing any form of oppression. That was history, and it was what it was. The monarchy as an institution today does much more for the environment, mental health, philanthropy, etc. than most others. And the Queen represents this institution, not just the the UK, but for Commonwealth Nations as well.

 

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38 minutes ago, KitboyE17 said:

Over the many centuries our Isle has produced coins there has been a ‘leaders’ head on the obverse to denote who the coin was minted by and thus owned by. As the centuries went on and and our monarchy took shape the Royal Mint was owned by the Crown and as allegiance was to the Monarch our Kings and Queens remained on the obverse. Once the Royal Mint moved out of the Tower of London (owned by the Crown) tradition was long established and as our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth remains on our legal tender. I see no reason to remove her or future monarchs whilst they remain Head of State. 

That makes sense now.

I was more or so curious to as well when I started this. Some of the coins are incredible, but just due to personal preference I wouldn't want the queen on any coin myself as it doesn't work for me personally, but again I'm not from the U.K. or Australia myself. Was trying to figure out why I couldn't find coins without the queens head on them and it makes sense now.

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I should say this though. I'm looking for more or so geometrical coins to animal type coins myself or maybe something like this (below) a space coin (this one is just an example for show) with no ones face on the coin. Eagle or Australian Kookaburra (animals only) would be fine though. I don't plan on buying coins with faces on them myself.

https://cdn.jmbullion.com/1-oz-apollo-11-liftoff-silver-round/

 

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27 minutes ago, E23 said:

That makes sense now.

I was more or so curious to as well when I started this. Some of the coins are incredible, but just due to personal preference I wouldn't want the queen on any coin myself as it doesn't work for me personally, but again I'm not from the U.K. or Australia myself. Was trying to figure out why I couldn't find coins without the queens head on them and it makes sense now.

 

Fair enough, a 'blinkered' position that will seriously restrict your choice of coins to collect.

Stick with ASEs or Mexican coins maybe (although I appreciate you are not from Mexico yourself)

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13 minutes ago, Roy said:

Fair enough, a 'blinkered' position that will seriously restrict your choice of coins to collect.

Stick with ASEs or Mexican coins maybe (although I appreciate you are not from Mexico)

I don't buy ASEs myself. - I buy more or so generic 1 Oz silver rounds to 10 Oz silver bars (try to get flat bars so they stack easily). This is my silver stacker side. This is more or so for the silver content itself only though.

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This is the problem I'm running into with the U.K., Canada (at least some), and Australia when it comes to my collector side.

I'm more or so into animals (nature realm coins) or geometrical (math realm coins) type coins to maybe space coins (science realm coins) as I gave an example above (edited). You are basically speaking of my problem the last month or so alone when it comes to checking around for coins from any of the three regions above.

You are definitely right on that one alone when it comes to anything with a face on it.

 

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I understand your thinking but the US hasn't got the history of the UK & I have absolutely no problem having the Queen on the obverse of coins. God forbid the US ever has recent/current presidents on your precious eagles. I wouldn't like to see Obama or Trump on them lol.

The problem with common sense is, its not that common.

 

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4 minutes ago, motorbikez said:

I understand your thinking but the US hasn't got the history of the UK & I have absolutely no problem having the Queen on the obverse of coins. God forbid the US ever has recent/current presidents on your precious eagles. I wouldn't like to see Obama or Trump on them lol.

Abraham Lincoln or George Washington only for myself off the top of my head and that's it, but I really wouldn't want a coin with their faces on them myself (maybe one of each if not a couple, but that's MAX more or so myself). I don't even think about them for the most part when I use regular everyday currency such as pennies, nickles, dimes, and/or quarters.

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3 minutes ago, motorbikez said:

I understand your thinking but the US hasn't got the history of the UK & I have absolutely no problem having the Queen on the obverse of coins. God forbid the US ever has recent/current presidents on your precious eagles. I wouldn't like to see Obama or Trump on them lol.

I would pay to see the production of Trump half dollars imagine the hysteria. 

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1 minute ago, KDave said:

I would pay to see the production of Trump half dollars imagine the hysteria. 

Lol, I actually quite like Trump he is very entertaining & would have no problem, seeing his face on a round (which there are numerous ones about) but on currency no.

The problem with common sense is, its not that common.

 

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Having been born and raised in Canada then spent my last 11 years in the UK I have to say there is definitely more of a disconnect to the monarch in Canada which of course makes sense given distance involved. That being said I've never personally had any issue with it either in Canada or here in the UK. I agree with others that there is a rich history and story being told there that is worth paying attention to. Its just more disjointed in Canada and I believe there is generally less interest overall - the official head of state just isn't consciously thought of all that much.

I also have to add that I do really like that the Royal Canadian Mint have issued some coins through the years with previous monarchs on them. Its does make a nice change as if nothing else it does get a bit boring always seeing Liz.

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